Delete push button start, go back to keyed ignition? The rfid brick has to go...

[sharpsicle]

Ah yes, a professional troll at work
Good to see that again...

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[WILDHOBO]

Shows how far behind you are in your understanding of where this all leads, you think you're first. It's all under control though, all being exposed now, can't really miss it, unless you purposely choose to. Big brother has been playing a far bigger scope and longer game than you can wrap head around, it takes awhile to figure it all out. It's your journey to take though, been there, done that. Get to it whenever you'd like to be more prepared in a room...or not.

Wow, so you don’t know me, or what I’m aware of. Yet you’d like me to change my views based on your poorly worded conspiracy rant? Good luck with finding followers.

 

[XraytecH]

I applaud you sir.

Well Played

 

[ShadowsPapa]

shadow you argued for and against in the same reply, although I doubt your intention, yup we've let big brother in everywhere, I draw the line at my vehicular control capabilities, can't really kill me or restrict my movements through my phone or my computer...yet, track you bet, all part of the bigger picture y'all missin here, but that's ok, we are trained to defend our oppressors, it's a lifelong thing ya see

It wasn't an argument for or against, just that it is what it is. We've turned into convenience-driven society, good or bad.
I chose the chromebook because it was cheap, easy, nothing to mess with as far as crashes or bugs or viruses or similar threats.

As far as vehicles - today they are safer and less likely to kill than 40 years ago. You can survive things today that would have totally killed you last century - and you can control the vehicle more easily than then. You have warnings if you get stupid (as most drivers do). Run off the road in a rural area? You are not only more likely to survive - even have fewer injuries, but you can be found. There's been people found (it's been in the news in recent months) who went missing years ago - while with a modern vehicle they'd have been found in hours, maybe days, but not years later. People lost their faces in accidents in the 60s - not today. You will survive a rollover in your Jeep that would have killed you in a Blazer not that many years ago. My sister-in-law was seriously injured when a guy blew a light in downtown Des Moines - flipped her Blazer. Crushed the front corner of the roof down to the dash. The engine in my car came from a Grand Cherokee that had been flipped onto the roof after hitting an embankment - inside the cabin there was little sign of damage at all - the pillars were intact.
I'm all for freedom - I even vote for freedom and rights, but when it comes to vehicles, so far none of my freedoms or rights have been taken away. My life has not been made more negative nor have I realized or suffered the loss of any of my rights.
I'd like to see which of our rights people think have been taken away - Bill of Rights, and Constitution - what has been violated by vehicle makers.
I have the right to go anywhere, any time - just like 50 years ago. I have the same right to buy, sell, trade, drive, own, whatever, that I did 50 years ago. I see no difference in my rights as far as vehicles.
I actually have some rights improved - my right to a safe, reliable transportation.
How long was your warranty in 1970? 1980? How many miles could you expect to go in a typical vehicle? Could you survive the exact same accident then you can now? Maybe you'd even not get into the same accident today due to the safety features - stopping straight in a much much shorter distance is a good gain, not a negative.
I saw a lot of carnage and a lot of things in my career that today would likely not have even happened. I see that as a gain.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Reading some of the issues of MT and stalling (although I think those should be pretty rare scenarios), my favorite implementation of push to start is the "Turn To Start" of my 2010 Miata. It's fully keyless, but has a plastic knob that you turn to start the vehicle.

It doesn't solve the bulkiness of the Jeep key but I myself like the feeling of turning the knob vs pressing a button while also never taking my keys out of my pocket.

LOL - same system in many ways - but you've traded a push button or switch to a rotary switch. Frankly, I see no difference. It's still keyless.

 

[SwampNut]

Shows how far behind you are in your understanding of where this all leads, you think you're first. It's all under control though, all being exposed now, can't really miss it, unless you purposely choose to. Big brother has been playing a far bigger scope and longer game than you can wrap head around, it takes awhile to figure it all out. It's your journey to take though, been there, done that. Get to it whenever you'd like to be more prepared in a room...or not.

You're so woke, and the only smart guy in the room. Congratulations.

 

[NachoRuby]

I just tested the stall thing on purpose. Mine starts when I press the clutch and hold the start button in, regardless of which part of the cycle it's in (off, acc, or run). I think that's normal. It is the same as when you start it in the morning. You don't have to put it in run or acc before you start it start it. You just press the clutch and hold the button, even if it's in the "off" position. It should start from any of the positions. It let me start right away when I purposefully stalled in the driveway. It even let me turn it off while it was moving. It replicates a key pretty well. I think that there may either a software issue at play on some vehicles, or maybe you're starting it before the jeep realizes it stalled? Just a thought. This isn't my first manual with push button though, so it could be that I'm just used to it. It's been on everything since my 2013 BRZ (purchased in 2012). I haven't noticed any lag in restart on any of them.

 

[jsalbre]

 

[Jt-wrx]

Wow, so you don’t know me, or what I’m aware of. Yet you’d like me to change my views based on your poorly worded conspiracy rant? Good luck with finding followers.

You made assumptions, anyhow, irrelevant and no I don't want to change your views, as I've mentioned before that's a diy job. Will see how the posts age here, keeps going one direction...it's not my direction btw...it's just thee direction.

Many programmed to distractions and otherwise to think nothing of it, so you can keep on with the cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias as long as you like...and you can keep on being wrong too...this stuff takes time but we've sure learned a bunch the past couple years haven't we.

Funny how one group of people has been so good at predicting the future...it should be obvious by now that one group knows because they did the journey and read the playbooks while the other one keeps believe the fairytales always told to us combined with being distracted by at least a half dozen two party divides and couple 'crisis' at any given time, looped on repeat, once you see that crap for what it is it gets easier, not on your mind though as coping through the wake up is as tough a thing as anyone will go through, takes awhile. Lot's at play, psychologically it's a monster to explain, easy things to see though are people prefer comfortable lies to uncomfortable truths (the comfort addiction alone can be quite a topic and that's been indoctrinated in the education system a long time, go ask any 20 year old...if it's uncomfortable information they see it as untrue), I digress. But there's also the 'once you acknowledge evil you must stand against it...that's what part of being a good human is about. There's a lot of people don't want to do that either...so keep choosing those comfortable lies. Carry on...

But to stay somewhat on topic...I'm telling ya, if your car is connected bye thin air to something loosely in the vicinity, that's pretty bad and was a prime example of people doing what they do, take a perfectly good thing and overcomplicating it and having to solve for a can of worms worth of potentials and problems all for the sake of being able to push a button. Doh. Worse yet is if it can be operated via thin air by someone else...if that's the case it's not your car, yet you paid for it.

Having a non-physical link to care and control of the vehicle is a bad idea, always will be. The key was the best. Only the wing nut behind the wheel could start it, drive it, stop it. The rfid air link fobs are terrible idea, they can go for a walk at any point while the vehicle is running. I guess it's just too simple and people seem to have a hard time seeing why that's a bad idea but 'I like buttons' lol....'I like walking up to my space ship and everything just opens and turns on by itself' and 'I'd rather it just drive me where I wanna go by voice command', lmfao....time and a place. If your vehicle and everything it does is liable and connected to you by insurance and laws etc....best have 100% full ownership care and control. Just sayin...again

Not a troll, a real person, with that ever rarified thing called common sense.

 

[Jt-wrx]

It wasn't an argument for or against, just that it is what it is. We've turned into convenience-driven society, good or bad.
I chose the chromebook because it was cheap, easy, nothing to mess with as far as crashes or bugs or viruses or similar threats.

As far as vehicles - today they are safer and less likely to kill than 40 years ago. You can survive things today that would have totally killed you last century - and you can control the vehicle more easily than then. You have warnings if you get stupid (as most drivers do). Run off the road in a rural area? You are not only more likely to survive - even have fewer injuries, but you can be found. There's been people found (it's been in the news in recent months) who went missing years ago - while with a modern vehicle they'd have been found in hours, maybe days, but not years later. People lost their faces in accidents in the 60s - not today. You will survive a rollover in your Jeep that would have killed you in a Blazer not that many years ago. My sister-in-law was seriously injured when a guy blew a light in downtown Des Moines - flipped her Blazer. Crushed the front corner of the roof down to the dash. The engine in my car came from a Grand Cherokee that had been flipped onto the roof after hitting an embankment - inside the cabin there was little sign of damage at all - the pillars were intact.
I'm all for freedom - I even vote for freedom and rights, but when it comes to vehicles, so far none of my freedoms or rights have been taken away. My life has not been made more negative nor have I realized or suffered the loss of any of my rights.
I'd like to see which of our rights people think have been taken away - Bill of Rights, and Constitution - what has been violated by vehicle makers.
I have the right to go anywhere, any time - just like 50 years ago. I have the same right to buy, sell, trade, drive, own, whatever, that I did 50 years ago. I see no difference in my rights as far as vehicles.
I actually have some rights improved - my right to a safe, reliable transportation.
How long was your warranty in 1970? 1980? How many miles could you expect to go in a typical vehicle? Could you survive the exact same accident then you can now? Maybe you'd even not get into the same accident today due to the safety features - stopping straight in a much much shorter distance is a good gain, not a negative.
I saw a lot of carnage and a lot of things in my career that today would likely not have even happened. I see that as a gain.

time and place where plenty makes sense, we've done this before, lots we agree on, a few very 40,000' things we don't...I see in 40,000', that's all

 

[SwampNut]

time and place where plenty makes sense, we've done this before, lots we agree on, a few very 40,000' things we don't...I see in 40,000', that's all

Well you got one thing right finally, you are 40,000 feet away from any semblance of reality.

 

[Jt-wrx]

You're so woke, and the only smart guy in the room. Congratulations.

well, the true 'woke' people I am not (that's your full left critical race theory blm activist types etc.) but I get what you're implying so thanks, I don't do this because I like to say 'I told you so' but rather stimulate more to go actually wake to what is going on, if you think that the technology and conveniences being given to us aren't being used for something bigger and would never be used for things very unhealthy to us is your choice, just opening the door to say you must know humanity better than that, governments killed 262 million people in the 20th century, each century being worse than the last, those at the top are not part of us, they play a long game in scope hard to fathom, what's that saying...you can understand history or you can trust the government, can't do both, I'm not wrong, just earlier than a bunch, and many we're a lot earlier than me, 95% of us have the capacity to get to the exact same place, 5% will be lost to the programming, just how it is, lets check back in next year and see how our posts are aging

 

[Jt-wrx]

Well you got one thing right finally, you are 40,000 feet away from any semblance of reality.

we will see how much of a gaslight that is in the not to distant future

 

[SwampNut]

A year from now our posts will be the same, and nothing will have changed.

You still have refused to tell me how a chip that I installed in my own hand can possibly be a problem. I mean, I know it's because you haven't one clue how tech works, but I'm just bored and going to keep asking.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Keys can be copied. Ignition locks can easily be gotten past. Doesn't take that much to "hack" a vehicle of the past. Many times vehicles we impounded had no key - but we sure got them moved, often started, even driven.

You still have refused to tell me how a chip that I installed in my own hand can possibly be a problem. I mean, I know it's because you haven't one clue how tech works, but I'm just bored and going to keep asking.

Great, now all anyone has to do is kill you, take your hand, and they can access your work stuff.
I guess I've been watching too much NCIS - oh, wait, that was the guy's eye they took......

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