Diesel info

[Trickster]

Some have said here that the diesel will have less towing ability than the 3.6.
How so?
Where is this info from?
Seems odd to me considering the torque value of the 3.0.

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[kayakmike]

Some have said here that the diesel will have less towing ability than the 3.6.
How so?
Where is this info from?
Seems odd to me considering the torque value of the 3.0.

Google Gladiator Diesel Towing

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sh...5880/jeep-gladiator-pickup-diesel-tow-rating/

Final numbers aren't out, but with the EcoDiesel it is suppose to be a few hundred pounds less towing due to engine cooling (This article says 500 lb hit).

 

[homerun]

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...ecifications-sheet-feature-availability.8468/

These numbers help? The towing and payload is listed for all trims and both engines.

 

[WXman]

Torque isn't what towing capacity is based on. Total weight is.

The diesel is heavier and requires more cooling also, so it gets a lower towing capacity. This is true of full size and mid size trucks both.

 

[Trickster]

Torque isn't what towing capacity is based on. Total weight is.

The diesel is heavier and requires more cooling also, so it gets a lower towing capacity. This is true of full size and mid size trucks both.

Actually I did not say capacity, but ability. Which I should have expanded on a bit more.
As in, off the line grunt, hill ascent. Etc.
Also, I should have posted this in the dedicated Diesel section, my bad.

 

[Billy]

The 3.0 intercooler for the turbo takes real estate behind the grill and has an effect on engine cooling. The engine still has the power to pull, it just can't be rated to haul as much due testing numbers, and the need for FCA to cover warranty and safety.

 

[MOPAR Boy]

Not sure why folks are so hung-up on how much max weight can realistically be towed by a Gladiator, before burning up its little motor or burning out its tranny. If you want to tow a lot of boat, for gosh sakes, get yourself a FORD Super Duty with its beautiful Powerstroke diesel. If all you need to do is pull some light toys around, like a snowmobile, OK the Gladiator will probably handle such light loads.

Get yourself the right car (as it’s FCA Chief Designer refers to it), like a Gladiator, or alternatively, the right Truck, like a Ford F-450 SD Limited, for real towing needs.

I, like so many, many other Jeep fellow fanatic fanboys, have no intentions to ever tow, or even carry, anything in the bed, other than maybe a few bags of groceries, nor go off-road with my 2021 diesel powered awesome Jeep Gladiator Rubicon, with the MOPAR 2 inch lift kit, wearing 35 inch mudders. Let’s admit it, peeps, truth be told, 95%+ of us Jeep fanatics never go off-road. We use ‘em strictly for cool looking mall crawlers.

Can’t hardly wait ‘till CY2020 when it finally becomes available. And, I’m willing to go up to $10,000+ over MSRP, if I must, to snag one if these early diesel Gladiator Rubi’s, at the first available timeframe!

“Always use the right tool, for the right job.”

It’s all good!

 

[Billy]

Not sure why folks are so hung-up on how much max weight can realistically be towed by a Gladiator, before burning up its little motor or burning out its tranny. If you want to tow a lot of boat, for gosh sakes, get yourself a FORD Super Duty with its beautiful Powerstroke diesel. If all you need to do is pull some light toys around, like a snowmobile, OK the Gladiator will probably handle such light loads.

Get yourself the right car (as it’s FCA Chief Designer refers to it), like a Gladiator, or alternatively, the right Truck, like a Ford F-450 SD Limited, for real towing needs.

I, like so many, many other Jeep fellow fanatic fanboys, have no intentions to ever tow, or even carry, anything in the bed, other than maybe a few bags of groceries, nor go off-road with my 2021 diesel powered awesome Jeep Gladiator Rubicon, with the MOPAR 2 inch lift kit, wearing 35 inch mudders. Let’s admit it, peeps, truth be told, 95%+ of us Jeep fanatics never go off-road. We use ‘em strictly for cool looking mall crawlers.

Can’t hardly wait ‘till CY2020 when it finally becomes available. And, I’m willing to go up to $10,000+ over MSRP, if I must, to snag one if these early diesel Gladiator Rubi’s, at the first available timeframe!

“Always use the right tool, for the right job.”

It’s all good!

Well said.

 

[MOPAR Boy]

Thanks!

 

[Centexan]

Not sure why folks are so hung-up on how much max weight can realistically be towed by a Gladiator, before burning up its little motor or burning out its tranny. If you want to tow a lot of boat, for gosh sakes, get yourself a FORD Super Duty with its beautiful Powerstroke diesel. If all you need to do is pull some light toys around, like a snowmobile, OK the Gladiator will probably handle such light loads.

Get yourself the right car (as it’s FCA Chief Designer refers to it), like a Gladiator, or alternatively, the right Truck, like a Ford F-450 SD Limited, for real towing needs.

I, like so many, many other Jeep fellow fanatic fanboys, have no intentions to ever tow, or even carry, anything in the bed, other than maybe a few bags of groceries, nor go off-road with my 2021 diesel powered awesome Jeep Gladiator Rubicon, with the MOPAR 2 inch lift kit, wearing 35 inch mudders. Let’s admit it, peeps, truth be told, 95%+ of us Jeep fanatics never go off-road. We use ‘em strictly for cool looking mall crawlers.

Can’t hardly wait ‘till CY2020 when it finally becomes available. And, I’m willing to go up to $10,000+ over MSRP, if I must, to snag one if these early diesel Gladiator Rubi’s, at the first available timeframe!

“Always use the right tool, for the right job.”

It’s all good!

Good for you, I am happy that you know how you will use it. Others of us have a different use plan, such as towing a small RV that we can take to the mountains and then unhitch and use the Gladiator offroad, or haul a boat, or whatever.

And we would very much like to make sure that the truck we are lusting over is within spec for our desired use case.

 

[nerdridesbikes]

I have a '16 Colorado gasser and tow a 4500lb (GVWR) camper. It tows fine on flat, but sucks in the mountains. I will be will under the rating, but will go for max tow anyways. I want a jeep, and need to tow the trailer, so gladiator here I come.

I am considering the diesel, hoping it will pull better up the hills and such. Not sure if its going to be worth the price difference, but luckily I have some time to consider.

 

[Limamikemike]

The 3.0 eco diesel will be the bees knees in the mountains, at altitude is where the forced induction really shines. Mod number one will be to go to green diesel engineering to get a tune to add the exhaust brake on the Ecodiesel.

As for the 500lb towing hit, do you really want to be towing 7k plus with a small truck? It simply won’t have the weight to keep the tail from wagging the dog, nor will it have sufficient brakes, as well as the rubicon’s suspension will be too soft to make it feel surefooted at gross weight.

 

[jeepguy225]

Not sure why folks are so hung-up on how much max weight can realistically be towed by a Gladiator, before burning up its little motor or burning out its tranny. If you want to tow a lot of boat, for gosh sakes, get yourself a FORD Super Duty with its beautiful Powerstroke diesel. If all you need to do is pull some light toys around, like a snowmobile, OK the Gladiator will probably handle such light loads.

Get yourself the right car (as it’s FCA Chief Designer refers to it), like a Gladiator, or alternatively, the right Truck, like a Ford F-450 SD Limited, for real towing needs.

I, like so many, many other Jeep fellow fanatic fanboys, have no intentions to ever tow, or even carry, anything in the bed, other than maybe a few bags of groceries, nor go off-road with my 2021 diesel powered awesome Jeep Gladiator Rubicon, with the MOPAR 2 inch lift kit, wearing 35 inch mudders. Let’s admit it, peeps, truth be told, 95%+ of us Jeep fanatics never go off-road. We use ‘em strictly for cool looking mall crawlers.

Can’t hardly wait ‘till CY2020 when it finally becomes available. And, I’m willing to go up to $10,000+ over MSRP, if I must, to snag one if these early diesel Gladiator Rubi’s, at the first available timeframe!

“Always use the right tool, for the right job.”

It’s all good!

If you're going JTR with 2inch mopar lift, why not go to 37's, since they will fit, instead of 35's. This will provide better visibility in the mall parking lot. For me, I'm thinking a JTR with a leveling kit and 35's will be just right for my mall visits and the dirt road to the gun club, but the moment a JT with 37's parks next to me, I'll have to drive to the tire store.

 

[Homer]

Some have said here that the diesel will have less towing ability than the 3.6.
How so?
Where is this info from?
Seems odd to me considering the torque value of the 3.0.

The LT is heavier most of it is the engine, for every pound they add for the diesel, it will tow that much less. But remember it will tow against the wind, up mountains and get at least a 100 mile better range, so you lost 500 pounds that's ok a 3.6 would not do 7600 efficiently no where close to it, you should never max out a vehicle to it gross towing capacity. I have a 2018 JT Rubicon, once I hit 65 I run into a wall, any thing faster is drinks the fuel. I also have a Chevy ZR2 diesel it will tow circles around the JT. That's where I get 100 more miles using 20 gallon of fuel as a comparison.
The diesel will be $3800.00 more expensive, you would have to tow for many years to equal the fuel you save to the 3.6.

 

[Limamikemike]

The LT is heavier most of it is the engine, for every pound they add for the diesel, it will tow that much less. But remember it will tow against the wind, up mountains and get at least a 100 mile better range, so you lost 500 pounds that's ok a 3.6 would not do 7600 efficiently no where close to it, you should never max out a vehicle to it gross towing capacity. I have a 2018 JT Rubicon, once I hit 65 I run into a wall, any thing faster is drinks the fuel. I also have a Chevy ZR2 diesel it will tow circles around the JT. That's where I get 100 more miles using 20 gallon of fuel as a comparison.
The diesel will be $3800.00 more expensive, you would have to tow for many years to equal the fuel you save to the 3.6.

I think you mean JL or possibly JK not JT.

Let me explain to you how it works in the HD truck world, you are partially right however it’s payload that usually gets cut. The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) on the chassis is the same for each given engine but the the lighter of the two engines will have the greater payload due to lower curb weight. Example: 10000lb GVWR minus the curb weight of the vehicle say a gas truck at 6000lbs gives you 4000lb payload. Now say you have the same truck with the heavier Diesel engine and it’s curb weight is 7000lbs with the same 10000lb GVWR it now has a 3000lb payload.

The Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) is the Total weight of Vehicle AND Trailer. This can vary in accordance with the Chassis tested weight rating that factors wheelbase, braking, torque, weight of tow vehicle and many other factors. It is usually bumped up on a diesel vehicle to allow heavier tow weights.

Where this JT diesel towing cut comes from is a speculative article in road and track regarding the cooling of the ecodiesel in the JT and JL. RT is a road race car mag and I don’t take what they said as fact as they generally don’t test that many trucks.

In the end we don’t know what the tow rating on an ED JT will be or a JL for that matter, because neither has been realeased with that engine. Heck we don’t know if the ED will end up in either the JT or JL at all.

As for running circles in your ZR2 you need state if it’s the same weights, same conditions, etc, a JL as I recall may only be rated for 3500lbs your ZR2 is rated for 5000lbs with an exhaust brake and probably a trailer brake too. Not really Apples to Apples comparison, what does a 3.6L ZR2 tow like? Probably similar to a 3.6 pentastar.

P.S. the diesel in your ZR2 is a VM motori based engine. A FCA product.

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