Diesel Tuners Indicted for smuggling...

[ZeeJay]

I think you guys need to define “emissions”… the fact that diesel makes soot tells me that the carbon is coming out solid and will just go into the soil. I’d imagine CO2 is much less because the C in CO2 is in another form. Then we need to ask is CO2 even bad??? At 350ppm it makes up about .004% of our air, whereas oxygen in 21%. I’m not sure that making plant food is really all that bad, the earth today is much greener than just a few decades ago.

Another thing to consider is, in the desert we are importing mass amounts of water. a gallon of gas emits a gallon (ish) of water in the form a vapor. In the desert this may be a blessing, in fact in the county I live we sell about 8 million gallon of retail (not commercial) gasoline PER DAY… so we are importing 8 million gallons of water per day, most goes into the atmosphere, which leads to the next point. The worst greenhouse gas is in fact water vapor, far farrrr worse than CO2.

We need real unbiased science … remember carbon monoxide, the real poison gas? Well, we fixed that, now it looks like we are trying to make a new enemy and I am not sure CO2 is it… I’d like to see real data over the course of a years operation of various vehicles to quantify what “pollutants” are generated. We focus on soot, CO2, NOX, etc what else is there.

also, they always pick on the middle class tax payer to do all the work, put DEF/DOF/SCR/EGR on a few cruise ships and tankers and I guarantee you will do FAR more emissions improvements than ALL the little vehicles we use.

I can’t speak to boats but all industrial machinery from skid steers all the way up to 400 ton mining haul trucks have complete AFM systems. Rail locomotives are in large part are Tier IV compliant and all over the road trucks are as well. It’s not just pickups. It’s not just middle class Joe’s who could do the same job with a gas F150. Here is some fun trivia, a Komatsu 830E which is a 240 ton haul truck has two SCRs and they are massive in size to handle a 60 liter 16 cylinder engine, anyway those jewels costs $100,000 each.

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[ZeeJay]

I was speaking of pollution, not mpg. I think diesel is worse for pollution in a very high percentage of apples to apples cases.

As am I, mpg only serves to understand final output from exhaust stream. One getting 15 on 37s vs the other getting 25+ on 37s. More distance per gallon equals less final output under similar driving instances. Some examples people have claimed closer to 30 with a diesel? Maybe BS but if true that is one gallon of fuel to gas engines two. Still doesn’t address particulates but from an engine standpoint a 3.0 diesel with VGT and common rail excluding after treatment and EGR is on nearly level playing field as 3.6 NA engine with VVT. Obviously the engines will always be apples to oranges but is running one of these trucks open and free make it a death machine….hardly.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I can’t speak to boats but all industrial machinery from skid steers all the way up to 400 ton mining haul trucks have complete AFM systems. Rail locomotives are in large part are Tier IV compliant and all over the road trucks are as well. It’s not just pickups. It’s not just middle class Joe’s who could do the same job with a gas F150. Here is some fun trivia, a Komatsu 830E which is a 240 ton haul truck has two SCRs and they are massive in size to handle a 60 liter 16 cylinder engine, anyway those jewels costs $100,000 each.

I get it. But why should the joes not improve things, just because it’s not yet possible for commercial equipment? We need to start somewhere. The argument that I can keep driving dirty every day because over-the-road trucks do doesn’t hold much water.

 

[Sting-Gray Neutral Pres.]

This thread is funny because I think like only 2 people actually read the article. Everyone else in here seems to have just read the title and is yammering about how this proves the EPA is some anti-american evil entity that is coming next to confiscate your truck or something.

Regardless of your feelings about air quality and the EPA, this father-son duo was running an international smuggling operation that netted them upwards of $40 million in gross profit over 8 years and that resulted in conspiracy, smuggling, and money laundering charges with multiple federal law enforcement agencies. This was a highly profitable criminal enterprise, plain and simple. Replace "defeat device" with anything else don't like being smuggled into the country and the story suddenly has a very different ring to it.

 

[Rusty PW]

Something to think about.

 

[Minty JL]

The GOVT and EPA standards are a joke........do as I say, not as it do.

Look at the fleet of diesel trucks the USAF has.......no EGR or DEF systems FROM the factory.

The consumer is being sold snakeoil shit. It's been proven time and time again that diesel trucks are more efficient solely on MPGs w/o the BS emissions systems.

I'm a certified MILDEC Planner....aka Military Deception planner........this shit is straight out of the handbook/doctrine.

 

[Ericshere03]

The GOVT and EPA standards are a joke........do as I say, not as it do.

Look at the fleet of diesel trucks the USAF has.......no EGR or DEF systems FROM the factory.

The consumer is being sold snakeoil shit. It's been proven time and time again that diesel trucks are more efficient solely on MPGs w/o the BS emissions systems.

I'm a certified MILDEC Planner....aka Military Deception planner........this shit is straight out of the handbook/doctrine.

Now if we can only get that “military” tune … I bet their tune makes less power, but more reliable and I’m sure as they don’t have all the torque reducing Nanny’s

 

[Ericshere03]

Now if we can only get that “military” tune … I bet their tune makes less power, but more reliable and I’m sure as they don’t have all the torque reducing Nanny’s

On second thought … banks was supplying the military with 630T engines which are the gen 1 ecodiesel motors. Be nice to take a proven tune and tweak it for use on our PCM.

I am really wanting to tune but none of these vendors give me the warm and fuzzies. Meanwhile my ecodiesel factory tune is sooting my intake

 

[Dickster]

The GOVT and EPA standards are a joke........do as I say, not as it do.

Look at the fleet of diesel trucks the USAF has.......no EGR or DEF systems FROM the factory.

The consumer is being sold snakeoil shit. It's been proven time and time again that diesel trucks are more efficient solely on MPGs w/o the BS emissions systems.

I'm a certified MILDEC Planner....aka Military Deception planner........this shit is straight out of the handbook/doctrine.

Yep I have a 22' 3500. Just got it back yesterday from trip number 8 to the dealership. 10 months and my truck is not fixed. The frequent regens they can't figure out. I am on DPF #2 and my motor has been taken apart for inspection. Paid $73k for it 3 years ago and only 49k miles on it and I'll go another 1000miles and check engine light.

 

[GladiatorPilot23]

Something to think about.

That is very preventable if you know what to do while keeping emissions.

 

[Dickster]

That is very preventable if you know what to do while keeping emissions.

Zero you can do besides taking the motor apart and cleaning it. You can run additives and keep up on maintenance but that is pretty much it.

 

[ZeeJay]

I get it. But why should the joes not improve things, just because it’s not yet possible for commercial equipment? We need to start somewhere. The argument that I can keep driving dirty every day because over-the-road trucks do doesn’t hold much water.

Over the road trucks have been tier compliant long before anybody heard of an ecodiesel.
It did start way back when with EPA 07 in light to heavy duty trucks, and again with EPA 13 and again with EPA 17. It has been an evolution. It’s not about a possibility, it is a real thing. Nearly all industrial, construction, power generation, material handling and of course light through heavy duty trucks have it. It’s now mandated across the board. Except boats, haven’t a clue. If you and others are sold on the concept that’s cool, no judgement man, sincerely, it’s all good.

 

[ZeeJay]

Something to think about.

Yeah and this is why I say EGR is absolutely the worst element of all emissions. And what’s more it’s useless technology now, it really is. With an SCR and DEF to manage NOx and a DPF to capture particulates the need for EGR is absolutely irrelevant.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Over the road trucks have been tier compliant long before anybody heard of an ecodiesel.
It did start way back when with EPA 07 in light to heavy duty trucks, and again with EPA 13 and again with EPA 17. It has been an evolution. It’s not about a possibility, it is a real thing. Nearly all industrial, construction, power generation, material handling and of course light through heavy duty trucks have it. It’s now mandated across the board. Except boats, haven’t a clue. If you and others are sold on the concept that’s cool, no judgement man, sincerely, it’s all good.

I wasn’t talking about not being compliant diesels. Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I was talking about it not yet being possible to replace them entirely. That’s not ready yet, but it should be. We have the technology, but choose not to use it. People like money, more than the planet for their grandchildren.

 

[biodiesel]

Yeah and this is why I say EGR is absolutely the worst element of all emissions. And what’s more it’s useless technology now, it really is. With an SCR and DEF to manage NOx and a DPF to capture particulates the need for EGR is absolutely irrelevant.

Green Diesel Engineering had this argument with the EPA. He argued that his tune can meet emissions requirements without EGR. The EPA could only point back to the written law which says you must have EGR and EGR must operate in certain conditions.

Interestingly, the new 3.0 Duramax doesn't have EGR due to the latest generation of technology.

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