Terminus33
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This is the list of them in order on the Eaton site. It isn't even listed in the elockers section.
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You must have the magic inside scoop lol I don't even have it on the PC site not just the mobile site.That looks like the mobile site so maybe that isn't up yet. The full site definitely comes up.
Great input and education. Thank you.I avoided the Rubicon bc I did not want Eaton lockers bc of how they engage. And now they have the issue of sometimes getting fried electrically. To the point Jeep just replaces your axle because they dont want to open differentials.
The issue for me is how they engage. Even when you hit the button to turn them on, it requires certain amount of tire spin to engage it. The reason is the lock ring has to work it's way up a ramp to get seated into lock position. It has the same ramp backwards too.
So what can happen is that if your forward momentum gets stopped and the truck slides backwards some, the lock ring slides back down this ramp, and you are now unlocked. It then requires the wheel spin to engage again. If you don't make it and move backwards at all, again you get unlocked. You can end up bouncing between locked and unlocked if you don't have a smooth transition out of the obstacle.
ARB air lockers use air to engage the lock ring immediately, no rotation required. There is also no unlocking if you slide backwards, when you hit the button it's locked and stays locked.
This Eaton unlocking and relocking doesn't matter if you're just out wheeling in mud or a consistent obstacle like sand or snow. But if you're dealing with slipper rocks or downed trees you don't make it over, can get frustrating.
If you don't already have lockers, just get ARB imo.
This explains it
I got one install price and am waiting for another. I think you have a darn good point!Just curious, why would one prefer these over the OEM Rubicon lockers? For a set of these + install you could almost buy a set of rubi takeoff axles. Are they that much stronger?
Between myself and friends and friends of friends I've helped as the resident former Jeep/Toyota tech, this has been much less a concern and has caused fewer problems than ARB. ARB lockers are great until they aren't and between chasing air line leaks to blowing out seals inside the differential that required a complete overhaul, the Eaton design is much simpler with almost nothing to fail in the locking mechanism.I avoided the Rubicon bc I did not want Eaton lockers bc of how they engage. And now they have the issue of sometimes getting fried electrically. To the point Jeep just replaces your axle because they dont want to open differentials.
The issue for me is how they engage. Even when you hit the button to turn them on, it requires certain amount of tire spin to engage it. The reason is the lock ring has to work it's way up a ramp to get seated into lock position. It has the same ramp backwards too.
So what can happen is that if your forward momentum gets stopped and the truck slides backwards some, the lock ring slides back down this ramp, and you are now unlocked. It then requires the wheel spin to engage again. If you don't make it and move backwards at all, again you get unlocked. You can end up bouncing between locked and unlocked if you don't have a smooth transition out of the obstacle.
ARB air lockers use air to engage the lock ring immediately, no rotation required. There is also no unlocking if you slide backwards, when you hit the button it's locked and stays locked.
This Eaton unlocking and relocking doesn't matter if you're just out wheeling in mud or a consistent obstacle like sand or snow. But if you're dealing with slipper rocks or downed trees you don't make it over, can get frustrating.
If you don't already have lockers, just get ARB imo.
This explains it
I would agree. If you can’t afford 1/2 tire rotation, you are probably a different class of rock crawling and need a Detroit/spool/Lincoln locker.Between myself and friends and friends of friends I've helped as the resident former Jeep/Toyota tech, this has been much less a concern and has caused fewer problems than ARB. ARB lockers are great until they aren't and between chasing air line leaks to blowing out seals inside the differential that required a complete overhaul, the Eaton design is much simpler with almost nothing to fail in the locking mechanism.
I don't know anyone who has been left stranded from an Eaton locking mechanism failing. I know at least two who have had total lock-up failure on trail with an ARB unit. If you absolutely cannot have wheel spin then the ARB are what you need but generally speaking, the reason you need a locker is because you don't have traction on a wheel so that little bit of spin isn't really an issue.
Rubicon axles will still only have 4.10 gears though so if you want more as most who need lockers do, that's an added cost as well. From that point the lockers are just an added parts cost since the new gears encompass all the same labor.Just curious, why would one prefer these over the OEM Rubicon lockers? For a set of these + install you could almost buy a set of rubi takeoff axles. Are they that much stronger?