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I drove home the other day with sway bar disconnected and tires at about 20 psi and hit 70-75 multiple times. Im never easy on my jeep. Never once did i feel a shimmy or shake at all. Im all stock for now though as well.
I believe you, a couple weeks before this happened I did about 1200 miles disconnected at about 35 psi and the truck was as smooth as i could have wanted the whole time. something has changed but according to two shops and my impact everything was and is tight.
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I’m still in my second JL. First bought back by Mopar for wobble. Second already close to being bought back. Has anyone heard of the Mojave, with the upgraded suspension and frame, getting death wobble?
 

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Well crap, F'in crap.

2020 JT Overland, 13000'ish miles, the super smooth best street driving Jeep ever until this evening.

No issues until today, about 11000 miles since full go over after JKS suspension install with Fox shocks. Accelerated to roughly 55-60mph. I then applied the brakes moderately and WOW WTF. Let off the brakes and applied again and same nasty shaky wobble. No weird wonky bumps on the road where this occurred, I have driven this small short section of hwy for 25yrs.

This JT is by far the smoothest Jeep I have owned..... 99, 2004, 2015, 2017, 2019, 2020. JT. I was shocked today by this nasty shaky wobble. I will go over torque on all relevant parts.

Running well balanced super smooth Falken AT3W 285/75r17 on stock Jeep sport rims since new.

It does get driven on trails moderately.., however wheeling chatter is so variable... some ppl think they wheel then they come wheeling and realized they don't so much wheel off=road in the same way. Yet, this death wobble is death wobble regardless of how hard one may or may not wheel! I have not actually hit any hard trails with this JT, it is just a go camping rig.

Any other thoughts?
I have a 2020 JT Gladiator. I had a 2010 2Door JK Sport before that and a number of other CJs before that. The death wobble is new to the JK/JL/JT, I do believe but am not sure. It was never an issue with the CJ's which was my last Jeep before the JK. I had the wobble in the 2010 JK and put a single after market dampener on it. Fixed the problem. Drove it 200K after that and never a wobble.
My JT is a Rubicon, and it came with the Mopar 3" lift, 17/9 wheels and 37" Yokohama XT/A tires. I get the wobble between 42 and 48 mph if the bump in the road is just right. I put a dual steering dampener on it and still get the wobble. After testing and researching, I believe the problem is softness. The front coils are too soft, and the tall 37" tires add to that softness. So, when we hit a pothole or similar, we get that "reverberation" in the steering wheel, and if the pothole is just right, at the right speed, the reverberations turns in to resonance through the front end, causing the wobble. I do plan to put stiffer coils up front and see if that works. Also, the wobble and associated softness, put extra stress on your ball-joints. If you've been experiencing the wobble occasionally for over a year, I recommend getting your ball-joints checked. Worn ball-joints will also contribute to the wobble. Lastly, FCA TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 08-003-21 is for the 2018-2020 JL and 2020 JT. It is about problems they are having with the steering box. They deny any association with the wobble but if you read the bulletin, there is no way they are not related.
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I have a 2020 JT Gladiator. I had a 2010 2Door JK Sport before that and a number of other CJs before that. The death wobble is new to the JK/JL/JT, I do believe but am not sure. It was never an issue with the CJ's which was my last Jeep before the JK. I had the wobble in the 2010 JK and put a single after market dampener on it. Fixed the problem. Drove it 200K after that and never a wobble.
My JT is a Rubicon, and it came with the Mopar 3" lift, 17/9 wheels and 37" Yokohama XT/A tires. I get the wobble between 42 and 48 mph if the bump in the road is just right. I put a dual steering dampener on it and still get the wobble. After testing and researching, I believe the problem is softness. The front coils are too soft, and the tall 37" tires add to that softness. So, when we hit a pothole or similar, we get that "reverberation" in the steering wheel, and if the pothole is just right, at the right speed, the reverberations turns in to resonance through the front end, causing the wobble. I do plan to put stiffer coils up front and see if that works. Also, the wobble and associated softness, put extra stress on your ball-joints. If you've been experiencing the wobble occasionally for over a year, I recommend getting your ball-joints checked. Worn ball-joints will also contribute to the wobble. Lastly, FCA TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 08-003-21 is for the 2018-2020 JL and 2020 JT. It is about problems they are having with the steering box. They deny any association with the wobble but if you read the bulletin, there is no way they are not related.
FCA being sued over it AGAIN.

Steering box isn't going to cause death wobble and this isn't anything new. All solid axle front vehicles are subject to it when things get loose. I had it happen in a XJ and TJ before so it's not anything new that's just started happening. Happened in 97 to my 89 XJ. I've never heard of or could not see how soft springs could cause death wobble, they have zero to do with steering, don't care what size tires your running.

Also all you did was hide or mask the problem with the steering stabilizer, a good setup you can ride around without a Steering Stabilizer.
 
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Well crap, F'in crap.

2020 JT Overland, 13000'ish miles, the super smooth best street driving Jeep ever until this evening.

No issues until today, about 11000 miles since full go over after JKS suspension install with Fox shocks. Accelerated to roughly 55-60mph. I then applied the brakes moderately and WOW WTF. Let off the brakes and applied again and same nasty shaky wobble. No weird wonky bumps on the road where this occurred, I have driven this small short section of hwy for 25yrs.

This JT is by far the smoothest Jeep I have owned..... 99, 2004, 2015, 2017, 2019, 2020. JT. I was shocked today by this nasty shaky wobble. I will go over torque on all relevant parts.

Running well balanced super smooth Falken AT3W 285/75r17 on stock Jeep sport rims since new.

It does get driven on trails moderately.., however wheeling chatter is so variable... some ppl think they wheel then they come wheeling and realized they don't so much wheel off=road in the same way. Yet, this death wobble is death wobble regardless of how hard one may or may not wheel! I have not actually hit any hard trails with this JT, it is just a go camping rig.

Any other thoughts?
If everything checks out correctly - tires, torque specs on all arms, end links, etc..... then, I would increase the caster slightly on the front end. Turn the front lower control arms a half turn counter-clockwise (make them longer), and turn the front upper control arms half turn clockwise (make them shorter). Try that for a while. It should feel better. If you think you may need more, go a half turn more.

Note: I installed my 3.5 inch Clayton kit myself and measured everything 3 times so it would be installed perfectly to spec... After install, I measured Caster myself be 5.8 to 6.0. After a few months, I still felt like it could use some more Caster, so, I changed everything half a turn like I mentioned above and my highway ride got much better. I did not measure, but, I would guess I am somewhere between 6.2 to 6.5. You do not need much Caster change to make a huge difference on the highway, and measuring those control arms is not an exact science.
I also kinda think that because of the front driveline angle, the Caster Specs from the Vendors are always on the low side of acceptable...
 

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I don't have a death wobble by any means but, after switching to 295/70/18 tires on stock Overland wheels and having a 1.5" leveling kit installed the same weekend, I get a faint shimmy around 60 mph. Doesn't happen at lower speeds and goes away above 70. Any ideas where to check first?
 

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I don't have a death wobble by any means but, after switching to 295/70/18 tires on stock Overland wheels and having a 1.5" leveling kit installed the same weekend, I get a faint shimmy around 60 mph. Doesn't happen at lower speeds and goes away above 70. Any ideas where to check first?
Tire balancing, doesn’t sound like DW.
 

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Tire balancing, doesn’t sound like DW.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking/hoping for. Maybe a weight fell off, maybe it needs a road force balancing.
 

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I don't have a death wobble by any means but, after switching to 295/70/18 tires on stock Overland wheels and having a 1.5" leveling kit installed the same weekend, I get a faint shimmy around 60 mph. Doesn't happen at lower speeds and goes away above 70. Any ideas where to check first?
Also, as tires get bigger, this little nuance may matter more. Mounting Your Tires | Yokohama Tire . It explains the red and yellow dots. Could be straws on a camel's back. I put a 2" leveling spacer on my 3" Mopar/Fox kit and gave myself the wobbles. Between 42 and 45mph you feel the steering getting light, and the right bump or divit in the road will send my front end into seizures. Even my dual stabilizers cannot "stabilize" it. I'm aware of/use to it from my 2010 JK but someone on here says it can happen with any of the solid axel Jeeps. Also what a lot of literature says. I'm wondering if stiffer springs might tighten things up in front because of this 2011 article Death Wobble cured after 4 years and 49,000 miles - JeepForum.com . I am concerned that there is too much soft between the FOX shocks and the springs which are slightly progressive (one twist spiral at the top). There's some of my thoughts, for what its worth.
 

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Steering box isn't going to cause death wobble and this isn't anything new. All solid axle front vehicles are subject to it when things get loose. I had it happen in a XJ and TJ before so it's not anything new that's just started happening. Happened in 97 to my 89 XJ. I've never heard of or could not see how soft springs could cause death wobble, they have zero to do with steering, don't care what size tires your running.

Also all you did was hide or mask the problem with the steering stabilizer, a good setup you can ride around without a Steering Stabilizer.
The steering box may be a stretch but if there is play in the box, couldn't that contribute? Jeep is replacing my steering box and reprogramming some-related-thing for free. Physics, geometry, fluid dynamics, engineering, not my thing for sure. I got the soft spring idea from this article, Death Wobble cured after 4 years and 49,000 miles - JeepForum.com . Then thinking about my JT, my springs are soft and I think the FOX shocks that came with the kit may also not be that firm. My JT rides great, that's just how my thinking was going.
 

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The steering box may be a stretch but if there is play in the box, couldn't that contribute? Jeep is replacing my steering box and reprogramming some-related-thing for free. Physics, geometry, fluid dynamics, engineering, not my thing for sure. I got the soft spring idea from this article, Death Wobble cured after 4 years and 49,000 miles - JeepForum.com . Then thinking about my JT, my springs are soft and I think the FOX shocks that came with the kit may also not be that firm. My JT rides great, that's just how my thinking was going.
Sloppy steering and play in the steering wheel is totally different than Death Wobble. You can't keep driving when you got death wobble, you got to come to a complete stop and then hope you can still drive once you start moving again, feels like the whole vehicles coming apart. Springs, Steering Boxes, Steering Stabilizers aren't going to cause these things, it's almost 100% of the time something loose, tire wear, ball joints wore out, track bar bushings worn, tie rod bushings worn, or caster issues. Never ever have I heard of soft springs being the issue, I would think stiffer springs would not absorb as much harshness of the road and cause it over soft springs. Still never heard of springs being a direct cause and you mask the issue many ways, dual stabilizers, better stabilizer, but eventually it's gonna happen again when that stabilizer wears out prematurely.

It's a pretty complex thing to figure out but a lot of times it's just comes down to trial and error.
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