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[tampahoosier]

GDE will even tell you that their tune, for the sake of warranty and other dealer visits, is undetectable once you've flashed back to the factory tune via GDE flash tool.

This is not to knock @biodiesel because he’s just repeating GDE, but this is the statement that makes me cringe most. It is so vaguely true that if you don’t understand you think you’re fine. Yes if you flash black to stock then all you will see is the stock tune. That is 100% true. GDE is just “neglecting” to mention all the other systems working in conjunction that are recording and tracking where you can tell changes have been made.

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[tampahoosier]

I never said banks was bad, but I did say that you can't compare the two. I don't know any knowledgeable EcoDiesel enthusiasts who recommends the Banks tune for the EcoDiesel.



This thread isn't about the history of Gale Banks. This thread is about the Ecodiesel.



Again, you need to stick to the EcoDiesel for your talking points. The EcoDiesel leaves a count, but that is it. Counts don't mean anything. A dealer tech can have a flash fail and it will show as a count. Some people have more dealer flashes than others. My truck alone could have over 15 dealer flashes just in TSBs and recalls!



Nope, I'm just a fellow EcoDiesel enthusiast who is here to help others.

Hey @biodiesel are you going to answer my question I asked you with reference to statements made about Banks tune? You skipped over it and made it about history lessons!

Quit down playing the counter. The counter is ONE item logged. There are several engine parameters logged during driving that could easily be pulled if a tech looks at a blown engine and sees more flashes than registered in dealer connect. Those engine parameters will not line up with stock. You would be screwed. But I guess you have a solution for that. You know a tech who says they (speaking for all dealers and Stellantis) don’t care.

Half your statements are full of shit. They start with general statements like “several dealers”, “friends who are techs” and so forth. I hope most see through all that and know it means you have no facts only personal experience. So please quit deflecting by saying to stick with GDE/Ecodiesel talking points. A few of us would love to but can’t when you are not sticking to anything other than the GDE marketing talking points.

 

[biodiesel]

GDE is just “neglecting” to mention all the other systems working in conjunction that are recording and tracking where you can tell changes have been made.

There are no other systems. For reference, I had warranty work done at dealership #1. Dealership #2 couldn't tell what dealership #1 did. The system keeps track of completed recalls, service contracts, warranty, etc.

The dealer tool can see flash counts, but they cannot see what has been done. There are no other systems in place. That's been verified by FCA diesel techs, service advisors, etc.

 

[biodiesel]

Quit down playing the counter. The counter is ONE item logged. There are several engine parameters logged during driving that could easily be pulled if a tech looks at a blown engine and sees more flashes than registered in dealer connect. Those engine parameters will not line up with stock. You would be screwed.

Again, here are the facts.

Fact #1 To my knowledge, no EcoDiesel to date has had a warranty denial due to a tune.
Fact #2 People with tunes are getting warranty work done every day with no problems, me included.
Fact #3 Tuning is not illegal as long as it's been approved by the CARB/EPA.
Fact #4 Flash counts are not always accurate due to a multitude of reasons.
Fact #5 The dealer tool cannot see what flashes have been done. In some cases, you may have multiple failed attempts to a software update, which would come up as multiple flashes. That alone would screw up the count.

Until someone is denied a warranty due to flashes, I think the fear mongering needs to stop. Hundreds of people post daily on EcoDiesel forums and facebook groups, yet no warranty issues.

People can weigh the risks and make their own decision.

 

[tampahoosier]

Again, here are the facts.

Fact #1 To my knowledge, no EcoDiesel to date has had a warranty denial due to a tune.
Fact #2 People with tunes are getting warranty work done every day with no problems, me included.
Fact #3 Tuning is not illegal as long as it's been approved by the CARB/EPA.
Fact #4 Flash counts are not always accurate due to a multitude of reasons.
Fact #5 The dealer tool cannot see what flashes have been done. In some cases, you may have multiple failed attempts to a software update, which would come up as multiple flashes. That alone would screw up the count.

Until someone is denied a warranty due to flashes, I think the fear mongering needs to stop. Hundreds of people post daily on EcoDiesel forums and facebook groups, yet no warranty issues.

People can weigh the risks and make their own decision.

Lol you said “Fact” and “to my knowledge” back to back… thank you for proving my point!
Then you followed it up with another “fact” that ended up being a blanketing and generic statement about people with tune getting warranty work. Did you comb through all denied warranties for ecodiesel engine failures? Do you know how many gen3 ecodiesel engine failures there have been done, and how many had warranty work denied? If you don’t know any of those answers maybe you should shut up and stick to the real facts.

 

[biodiesel]

Lol you said “Fact” and “to my knowledge” back to back… thank you for proving my point!
Then you followed it up with another “fact” that ended up being a blanketing and generic statement about people with tune getting warranty work. Did you comb through all denied warranties for ecodiesel engine failures? Do you know how many gen3 ecodiesel engine failures there have been done, and how many had warranty work denied? If you don’t know any of those answers maybe you should shut up and stick to the real facts.

I've done research, so I understand how data is collected. One way to collect data is to look for evidence. No evidence exists that warranties have been denied due to a GDE tune. I invite you and others to provide that evidence. Until then, you are just a talking point.

 

[cecaa850]

To my knowledge is not a fact. Its a disclaimer to the limit of your knowledge. Talking to a couple dealership employees is anecdotal evidence and nothing more. Just because you haven't seen something doesn't make it a fact. I know for a fact that Cummins engine warranty claims have been denied due to tunes. Ecodiesel tunes are subject to have warranty engines denied as well. Here's a fact that you can verify. Tunes are a modification. Damage caused by modifications are not covered by warranty. You can take Ram to court to fight it and you're going to lose. That's a fact.

 

[tampahoosier]

To my knowledge is not a fact. Its a disclaimer to the limit of your knowledge. Talking to a couple dealership employees is anecdotal evidence and nothing more. Just because you haven't seen something doesn't make it a fact. I know for a fact that Cummins engine warranty claims have been denied due to tunes. Ecodiesel tunes are subject to have warranty engines denied as well. Here's a fact that you can verify. Tunes are a modification. Damage caused by modifications are not covered by warranty. You can take Ram to court to fight it and you're going to lose. That's a fact.

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[biodiesel]

I know for a fact that Cummins engine warranty claims have been denied due to tunes.

And again, we are not talking about the Cummins. We are talking about the GDE tune and how it's not detectable with the dealer's tool. Again, hundreds of people running GDE tunes and nobody is getting denied.

When the 2014 - 2019 EcoDiesel had an issue with spun bearings, some people thought the GDE tune might 'solve' the problem. We soon found out that even trucks that were GDE tuned had spun bearings. Those people got new engines and were not denied warranty. So, I have lots of evidence of people getting warranty work (including new engines) without one denial.

 

[Chance575]

So your going to stand behind your product and pay for engine repairs when the warranty claim has been denied ???

 

[biodiesel]

So your going to stand behind your product and pay for engine repairs when the warranty claim has been denied ???

It's not my product.

 

[tampahoosier]

So your going to stand behind your product and pay for engine repairs when the warranty claim has been denied ???

He won’t answer that because he doesn’t need to. He knows for a fact that no gen3 ecodiesels have failed from a tune. He also knows for a fact that dealers have no way to see what work was performed at other dealers. He also knows for a fact that if a gen3 ecodiesel were to fail and require warranty repair or replacement that Stellantis doesn’t care to pull any computer logs. He must have access to a database where all ecodiesel failures and warranty work for FCA is logged because he said he knows how to search and has searched and hasn’t found any… guess they publish that for public consumption? He knows that one for a fact because a technician and service advisor both told him so.
Can’t make that stuff up folks!

 

[biodiesel]

The 2014 - 2019 had two types of GDE tunes, one was an ECU and other was a flashtool. The last discussion I heard was that the new 2020+ EcoDiesel GDE tune would most likely start off bench flashed (ECU). In that case, the GDE tune would be even more undetectable.

 

[cecaa850]

It's not my product.

Then put your money where your mouth is. GDE is smart enough to have a disclaimer to insulate them from any liability. Write them and tell them you'll be financially responsible for any warranty Ecodiesel claims denied due to their flash tunes. Have them addd that to their site. At that point you'll be credible. Until then you're just a shill.

 

[FutureOdin]

I think everyone needs to take a step back here. Not really sure why we're arguing... @biodiesel's point is that he has not seen a situation where the warranty has been voided due to the GDE tune. That's it.

Banks, Mr. Tuning, GDE, whatever--they're all tunes. The fact is, if something goes wrong, and you have one of the tunes, you MAY not be able to get it covered under warranty. He's seen situations where the dealer hasn't been able to determine if there was a tune installed, thus the warranty was still intact. That's just how these things go.

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