Get creative challenge. Bye bye push to start button.

[Professor_Chaos]

He wasn't asking for opinions. He's asking if anyone has done it because he wants to do it.

The only shitshow would be people coming in and offering their opinions on whether they think he should or shouldn't or people offering no opinion but calling it a shitshow because they don't agree with the thought process.

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[sharpsicle]

Well, I also refuse to believe it is impossible to replace proximity start with a switch.

I don't give a darn what the solution is but I refuse to believe that the ignition system of any car can't be replaced by an enterprising, smart, DIYer.

This is simply one component of a system. I refuse to believe it cannot be rigged.

I could be wrong but can't make sense of how.

This is the problem. You aren't recognizing how integrated key security is in modern vehicles. There's a whole system behind the switch that you have to consider. The coding isn't contained within the push button itself. It's cooked into the control modules. There's programming that it has that you need to satisfy. This is the way it's built.

You can add a switch, sure, but you still need to keep the proximity system in place as well. There's no removing or replacing that entirely.

 

[KWin]

Sooo if you wanted a DIY version, I'd just hide current fob in the car. Then buy a keyed ignition switch, and wire it into the push button. You'd have to disassemble the push button and put the lines from your keyed ignition switch in place of the button... but then you could get your keyed for speed feelings taken care of.

Please note I haven't done this and would never think it was actually a good idea as much as I'm on team customize everything, in this instance I'm on team push button.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

This is the problem. You aren't recognizing how integrated key security is in modern vehicles. There's a whole system behind the switch that you have to consider. The coding isn't contained within the push button itself. It's cooked into the control modules. There's programming that it has that you need to satisfy. This is the way it's built.

You can add a switch, sure, but you still need to keep the proximity system in place as well. There's no removing that entirely.

No, I do get that. If it was easy I would of already done it.

I get it. It is built in and isn't just replacing a button with a turn key.

Still don't want it. Still want to get rid of it. Still will ask if anyone has successfully done so or solicit thoughts and suggestions on doing so.

I do get it isn't simple and there is more to it than meets the eye. That is why I am here trying to crowd source the solution from bright people.

With a will comes a way.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Sooo if you wanted a DIY version, I'd just hide current fob in the car. Then buy a keyed ignition switch, and wire it into the push button. You'd have to disassemble the push button and put the lines from your keyed ignition switch in place of the button... but then you could get your keyed for speed feelings taken care of.

Please note I haven't done this and would never think it was actually a good idea as much as I'm on team customize everything, in this instance I'm on team push button.

I hear that and appreciate but it isn't pushing a button I want to rid, it is proximity fob needed period I want to rid.

Thanks anyhow.

 

[CivilJeep]

I'm not clear on something. Are you unhappy with carrying the fob, or do you just miss turning a key? Or both? What problem are we solving for here?

 

[KWin]

Oh that's a lot harder good luck

 

[JeepTaco]

Sooo if you wanted a DIY version, I'd just hide current fob in the car. Then buy a keyed ignition switch, and wire it into the push button. You'd have to disassemble the push button and put the lines from your keyed ignition switch in place of the button... but then you could get your keyed for speed feelings taken care of.

Please note I haven't done this and would never think it was actually a good idea as much as I'm on team customize everything, in this instance I'm on team push button.

LOL no joke I was thinking hiding the key fob in the truck as a possible solution as well (not for me though).

Even go a step further and hide some sort of a toggle swtich that has to be activated to command the starter to crank.

Figuring out the start process (from push button to the starter) would help OP tremendously. Could then reverse engineer from there.

Edit: corrected my spelling.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

I'm not clear on something. Are you unhappy with carrying the fob, or do you just miss turning a key? Or both? What problem are we solving for here?

I get that. I tend to not be clear sometimes.

I don't really care about turning a key or pushing a button or flipping a switch.

I dont really care for the fob but the physical fob itself doesn't really bother me.

What I want to get rid of is the need for a wireless signal to be present in order to start my jeep.

I'd be happy flipping a light switch, turning a key or pushing a button or other unthought thoughts.

I want to rid my rig of proximity start. Hope that clears it up. My bad.

 

[Motoarch]

He wasn't asking for opinions. He's asking if anyone has done it because he wants to do it.

The only shitshow would be people coming in and offering their opinions on whether they think he should or shouldn't or people offering no opinion but calling it a shitshow because they don't agree with the thought process.

Hard disagree.

The conversation has been had and op even posted a link to it.

Want a car without this feature I have a simple solution.

But one without this feature.

Problem solved.

You're welcome.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

LOL no joke I was thinking hiding the key fob in the truck as a possible solution as well (not for me though).

Even go a step further and hide some sort of a toggle swtich that has to be activated to command the starter to crank.

Figuring out the start process (from push button to the starter) would help OP tremendously. Could then reverse engineer from there.

Edit: corrected my spelling.

My ideal solution... two switches. One hidden for the fuel pump one to start. If I could get there I could do whatever I like. Just don't know how to get there.

No cares if it is the easiest rig in the world to steal.

 

[sharpsicle]

I get that. I tend to not be clear sometimes.

I don't really care about turning a key or pushing a button or flipping a switch.

I dont really care for the fob but the physical fob itself doesn't really bother me.

What I want to get rid of is the need for a wireless signal to be present in order to start my jeep.

I'd be happy flipping a light switch, turning a key or pushing a button or other unthought thoughts.

I want to rid my rig of proximity start. Hope that clears it up. My bad.

I hear you, I really do. But this is going to be one of those things that you're going to need to let go of. This is how modern vehicles are. Your only hope here is to strip the thing down and try and reprogram a bunch of control modules and hope that it works in the end. But that's going to cause more problems than it solves. Everything talks to everything else and critical systems like this aren't optional.

Even in the past, cars that offered push-to-start as an upgraded option still has RF chips in the keys themselves for the lower-trimmed models. It was just a tactile change, the security function was still the same. You might be able to do that, but it will still require the RF security system to function. But you said you don't want that at all, and that's where you're out of luck.

If it were possible you wouldn't be getting so much resistance. But the reality is that it isn't without significant and heavy modification, reprogramming, and R&D testing. Assuming any kind of reprogramming on this level wouldn't brick something else in the Jeep.

Consider that this is a theft deterrent system, and that the people "asking" for this are really in the massive minority, and that disabling it is a liability concern, you won't find some company that has a kit for this. Even if you signed some kind of waiver, you'll probably be hard pressed to find a shop that will even attempt this without incurring heavy costs (both in time and dollars) due to the issues above.

In the end, it isn't worth it, because it's really not possible without deconstructing the truck's programming at multiple points. Especially when there's nothing broken.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

Hard disagree.

The conversation has been had and op even posted a link to it.

Want a car without this feature I have a simple solution.

But one without this feature.

Problem solved.

You're welcome.

I have a better solution. If you can't and don't want to think about it, move along to another thread to your liking.

I get people have opinions on this. If the consensus is "why bother" I get that too.

Doesn't change the fact that an engine can be started in other ways and I would prefer that.

I have trouble understanding why people would bother replying to this thread just to say such.

Its right there in the OP... not trying to debate.

Looking for like minds and solutions. What is the point of saying buy something else? Just move on if so.

 

[Professor_Chaos]

I hear you, I really do. But this is going to be one of those things that you're going to need to let go of. This is how modern vehicles are. Your only hope here is to strip the thing down and try and reprogram a bunch of control modules and hope that it works in the end. But that's going to cause more problems than it solves. Everything talks to everything else and critical systems like this aren't optional.

Even in the past, cars that offered push-to-start as an upgraded option still has RF chips in the keys themselves for the lower-trimmed models. It was just a tactile change, the security function was still the same. You might be able to do that, but it will still require the RF security system to function. But you said you don't want that at all, and that's where you're out of luck.

If it were possible you wouldn't be getting so much resistance. But the reality is that it isn't without significant and heavy modification, reprogramming, and R&D testing. Assuming any kind of reprogramming on this level wouldn't brick something else in the Jeep.

Consider that this is a theft deterrent system, and that the people "asking" for this are really in the massive minority, and that disabling it is a liability concern, you won't find some company that has a kit for this. Even if you signed some kind of waiver, you'll probably be hard pressed to find a shop that will even attempt this without incurring heavy costs (both in time and dollars) due to the issues above.

In the end, it isn't worth it, because it's really not possible without deconstructing the truck's programming at multiple points.

So I start by deconstructing the trucks programming at multiple points. Now we are getting somewhere.

 

[NortonJTSS]

I know this doesn’t answer your question, but nothing can “go wrong” with it, as long as you don’t lose it. Even if the battery dies it has a special magnet in it that you can hold up to the push start to start

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