Gladiator EcoDiesel Rubicon - Quality & Efficiency Build

[antwon412]

$300 on lug nuts to save a pound and a half per corner on a truck that weighs 5000 pounds

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[GladiatorPilot23]

Thanks for the confirmation that the MP Comcepts Aluminum bumper will fit with a little finess! Did you use the OEM skid plate or the one that came with the bumper and why?
Also, the same question about the winch plate…

Thanks!

The stock one won't work. I did use the one it came with but two bolts are not possible to fit as others had the same issue. Not an issue since it is held with many others.

 

[GladiatorPilot23]

$300 on lug nuts to save a pound and a half per corner on a truck that weighs 5000 pounds

Lol did you see the price of the Battery! Who said $300, I paid $280 but the price has gone up since lol. Also, not just for rotational weight but love how they look as well.

 

[XraytecH]

I'd be interested in how the lithium batteries hold up. As far as I know. Lithium batteries are not recommended.

I replaced my Optima H7 with an Antigravity H7 this past Saturday and 4 days in, no issues.

 

[XraytecH]

Don’t forget both aux and main battery are tied together in parallel, any voltage or capacity numbers you get will be for the pair combined.

Glad you confirmed that. That was the impression I had of the system but would love to read a detailed info on it. So effectively both batteries are like 1? Being Lithium will make it so much more reliable over sulfating lead acid. I use start stop as well as it not only saves 4-11% in fuel in testing. The wear metal is less from fuel dilution as soon in lab work on a video from Lake Speed Jr. & Engineering Explained.

Careful... read the side of that battery.

Also read the user manual.

 

[GladiatorPilot23]

Careful... read the side of that battery.

Also read the user manual.

This is a factory engineered smart duel battery 12v system. I did see that but that not worried because this is regulated duel system from the factory already. No issues to report. I have thier monitoring app to see the volts and temps and other issues on the AUX.

This issues is if you do a parallel or series with a battery deigned for starting, for energy storage, that would be a bad idea. I only charge with their recommend Opti brand they sell as well.

 

[SimonH]

but with standard alternator you will charge way over 20amps.

usually these batteries are used and 2nd batteries with a charge controller, like Redarc or such, which limits charging voltage.

 

[GladiatorPilot23]

but with standard alternator you will charge way over 20amps.

usually these batteries are used and 2nd batteries with a charge controller, like Redarc or such, which limits charging voltage.

Well these battery are not normally Lithium battery's for energy storage. These are the only one for automotive application with the BMS for it. As I mentioned, they supply to government as well.

 

[PackMule]

Hey OP, nice build.

Curious on how you wired in the Lithium chargers. Did you do 2 separate chargers, one for the higher Ah main, and a different one for the Aux (and any additional Aux you may add)? Does that mean you disconnected any direct charge from the alternator, and run all input charge through the lithium chargers?

Im wondering if the Lithium approach on the main / aux batteries may have the potential to totally change what many owners have hated in the main/aux setup of the Gladiator.

The aux battery has been anchilles heel in the stock configuration. Owners have turned off the start/stop feature with a Taser, and/or deleted the aux battery completely so a failure in the aux doesn't take down the main.

Maybe rewiring them and charging them separately disconnects their inherent interdependency and failure modes? At the very least, the Restart tech in these batteries does seem to offer some fall/back security.

And so far no error codes?

FYI: Link to another LIFPO thread on this forum:
https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...antigravity-brand-battery.64311/#post-1457277

 

[XraytecH]

but with standard alternator you will charge way over 20amps.

usually these batteries are used and 2nd batteries with a charge controller, like Redarc or such, which limits charging voltage.

You are speaking of energy storage batteries. These are a little bit smarter that energy storage batteries.

I'm been running an AntiGravity battery for about a month now and it's been doing what it was designed to do.

 

[brsnow2585]

The biggest reason to replace the lugs is because the OE ones will rust inside the cheap sheet metal cap, swell up, and then become very difficult to remove because you can't fit a tool over them.

Forget stealing wheels, I'm going to come Strategically Transfer Equipment to Alternate Locations - and that equipment is those titanium lug nuts.

I'll validate the point on the lug nuts, the last oil change I had on my '14 Cherokee, had an awkward exchange with the mechanic, telling me they "couldn't rotate the tires because I had swollen nuts".......I had to take a moment to compose myself. Eh, about 1800 miles later it was someone else's problem. I don't think the lugs on my '22 JT are those sleeved or capped, pretty sure they are solid metal, they've had impacts and breaker bars on them plenty times, don't look much worse for the wear.

 

[Sweetums]

I'll validate the point on the lug nuts, the last oil change I had on my '14 Cherokee, had an awkward exchange with the mechanic, telling me they "couldn't rotate the tires because I had swollen nuts".......I had to take a moment to compose myself. Eh, about 1800 miles later it was someone else's problem. I don't think the lugs on my '22 JT are those sleeved or capped, pretty sure they are solid metal, they've had impacts and breaker bars on them plenty times, don't look much worse for the wear.

My 2021 came with the crappy lug nuts, Id consider pulling one and looking at it. You can see the sheet metal fold around the nut, just above the taper.

 

[GladiatorPilot23]

Hey OP, nice build.

Curious on how you wired in the Lithium chargers. Did you do 2 separate chargers, one for the higher Ah main, and a different one for the Aux (and any additional Aux you may add)? Does that mean you disconnected any direct charge from the alternator, and run all input charge through the lithium chargers?

Im wondering if the Lithium approach on the main / aux batteries may have the potential to totally change what many owners have hated in the main/aux setup of the Gladiator.

The aux battery has been anchilles heel in the stock configuration. Owners have turned off the start/stop feature with a Taser, and/or deleted the aux battery completely so a failure in the aux doesn't take down the main.

Maybe rewiring them and charging them separately disconnects their inherent interdependency and failure modes? At the very least, the Restart tech in these batteries does seem to offer some fall/back security.

And so far no error codes?

FYI: Link to another LIFPO thread on this forum:
https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...antigravity-brand-battery.64311/#post-1457277

Yes this will fix a lot of issues that lead battery have especially as they sulfate and age much sooner then Lithium. These as I mentioned are for automotive starting applications from Antigravity. There is nothing to do but install and works with the OEM system.

 

[RudeJeepin]

I've used Anti Gravity batteries for awhile now. Had one in my last dual sport motorcycle for 5 years before I got rid of the motorcycle. Never had a problem that wasn't my fault, key on, lights on, not running. Push the restart button and it started right up. When it's time to replace the battery in my new dual sport, it will be one of those restart batteries again. Kinda spendy, but worth it if you ever need the restart. I use my moto like a true dirt bike that occasionally sees pavement stretches. So the battery sees alot of bouncing and vibrations, and showed no problems with it.

I'll definitely look hard at these for my Gladiator when it's time to replace the stock ones. The security of the restart is one of the main reasons. Plus the weight savings would help offset the winch and the diesel motor.

So I'll be watching your reports on the batteries. But I don't really feel like there will be much to report.

 

[XraytecH]

I've used Anti Gravity batteries for awhile now. Had one in my last dual sport motorcycle for 5 years before I got rid of the motorcycle. Never had a problem that wasn't my fault, key on, lights on, not running. Push the restart button and it started right up. When it's time to replace the battery in my new dual sport, it will be one of those restart batteries again. Kinda spendy, but worth it if you ever need the restart. I use my moto like a true dirt bike that occasionally sees pavement stretches. So the battery sees alot of bouncing and vibrations, and showed no problems with it.

I'll definitely look hard at these for my Gladiator when it's time to replace the stock ones. The security of the restart is one of the main reasons. Plus the weight savings would help offset the winch and the diesel motor.

So I'll be watching your reports on the batteries. But I don't really feel like there will be much to report.

That's the thing about these LiFePo4 batteries, the info is almost always anecdotal in the automotive application. I heard from another guy who heard from another guy who heard from another guy who read a post from another guy online.

Also follow my post...

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...avity-h7-is-doing-the-job.90742/#post-1473780

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