Gladiator in snow - disappointment?

[KurtP]

Because he's trying to go faster, and all that's happening is the tires are trying to spin, and the traction control is modulating the throttle.

Kevin

your light touch on the right pad was spot on. you already got your chicken dinner.

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[CerOf]

The traction control in 4-hi will pull power. I’ve seen numerous people fail to make it up a muddy hill because traction control kicks in.

 

[KurtP]

The traction control in 4-hi will pull power. I’ve seen numerous people fail to make it up a muddy hill because traction control kicks in.

-Mud is different than snow

-why does the TC pull power?

 

[CerOf]

Mud, snow, sand, slippery surface, all the same.

It pulls power as power is what makes the tires spin. Same thing when you floor it from a stop in 2wd. Traction control kicks in and will pull power to help stop the spinning tires.

 

[Rocksalt]

my experience in anything more than 5" of snow... not hwy speeds... turn off traction control works best.... again from my experience in snow. hard pack roads tc is good. but not in fresh snow.

 

[KurtP]

Mud, snow, sand, slippery surface, all the same.

It pulls power as power is what makes the tires spin. Same thing when you floor it from a stop in 2wd. Traction control kicks in and will pull power to help stop the spinning tires.

reduced traction surfaces are NOT the same.

So:

-the TC is pulling power because the wheel is slipping, yes? Ok. We agree here.

-how does adding more power to a tire that doesnt have traction fix the loss of traction?

-if youre in 4wd with the center diff locked, and you have a wheel front or rear spinning; what are the other wheels doing?

 

[CerOf]

reduced traction surfaces are NOT the same.

So:

-the TC is pulling power because the wheel is slipping, yes? Ok. We agree here.

-how does adding more power to a tire that doesnt have traction fix the loss of traction?

-if youre in 4wd with the center diff locked, and you have a wheel front or rear spinning; what are the other wheels doing?

More power is not added. Even if you press the gas pedal more, it won’t do anything.

As for the other wheels and that they are doing? Depends, do you have a limited slip? If not, other wheels are doing nothing and/or trying to do something as the brakes are applied to the spinning wheel in an effort to transfer power to the wheel with grip.

 

[Renegade]

The traction control system applies the brakes to the spinning wheels in effort to transfer power to the wheel with traction.

 

[Gvsukids]

Just additional reads...

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/advice-on-driving-in-snow.36457/

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/first-time-ride-in-snow-ice.22901/

 

[KurtP]

More power is not added. Even if you press the gas pedal more, it won’t do anything.

i mean tc on vs off. If your throttle input overrides the ability of the system to brake diff the wheel, it cuts throttle. By turning off tc youre allowing more power to reach the wheel

As for the other wheels and that they are doing? Depends, do you have a limited slip? If not, other wheels are doing nothing and/or trying to do something as the brakes are applied to the spinning wheel in an effort to transfer power to the wheel with grip.

correct. So if the rear wheel on an open diff axle is spinning, and the center diff is locked, whats the front wheel doing?

 

[CerOf]

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front wheel is looking for traction

 

[21RG]

What tires are on it?

if it’s the mud terrains- especially yhe bfg’s, thats your answer.

toss 200lb of sand bags in the bed, load the brake with your left foot and modulate the right foot slowly. And switch to snow flake AT’s.

I disagree with this. I run 35" BFG KM3 and have no issue with snow and reasonable performance in ice.

The trick, and its not a trick, is to lower the tire pressure. Today I was running 23 psi in front and 20 psi in the rear. Had no issues on snow and ice all day. The bed was not loaded down with any weight at all.

As for traction control, I don't care for it. The reason, when I needed power to spin the tires it would cut the power. This is to prevent wheel spin, but I need the wheels to spin. Nope. Have to push the button and then I can get out of drifts or push past slick spots.

Traction control works great on a road for regular driving, off road- IT SUCKS. To add to this, so does the anti-lock braking on the JTR. Tried to stop on a plowed road and it is so sensitive that I cannot stop. I had to use the manual transmission mode and shift to lower gears to slow down and stop.

Also, stuck in a snow bank and give it gas and the wheels spin (traction control off) and then let off gas and try to hit the brake and stop the wheels from spinning- NOPE! Anti-lock brakes prevent that from happening.

If anyone would like to meet up to experience this, please let me know. I'm up for a of four-wheeling trip.

I also instruct in off-road, been doing this for a very long time. Traction control has it's place, it is not off-road. Driveways.... maybe.

Kurt, I am not too far north of you. What group were you in?

 

[Shackleton]

Does anyone want to save me the time of looking through the manual and tell me how to turn off traction control? ( I’m on the couch not near my truck so if it’s an obvious button my apologies in advance)
-I’m lazy right now

 

[Rocksalt]

I disagree with this. I run 35" BFG KM3 and have no issue with snow and reasonable performance in ice.

The trick, and its not a trick, is to lower the tire pressure. Today I was running 23 psi in front and 20 psi in the rear. Had no issues on snow and ice all day. The bed was not loaded down with any weight at all.

As for traction control, I don't care for it. The reason, when I needed power to spin the tires it would cut the power. This is to prevent wheel spin, but I need the wheels to spin. Nope. Have to push the button and then I can get out of drifts or push past slick spots.

Traction control works great on a road for regular driving, off road- IT SUCKS. To add to this, so does the anti-lock braking on the JTR. Tried to stop on a plowed road and it is so sensitive that I cannot stop. I had to use the manual transmission mode and shift to lower gears to slow down and stop.

Also, stuck in a snow bank and give it gas and the wheels spin (traction control off) and then let off gas and try to hit the brake and stop the wheels from spinning- NOPE! Anti-lock brakes prevent that from happening.

If anyone would like to meet up to experience this, please let me know. I'm up for a of four-wheeling trip.

I also instruct in off-road, been doing this for a very long time. Traction control has it's place, it is not off-road. Driveways.... maybe.

Kurt, I am not too far north of you. What group were you in?

this!

 

[Rocksalt]

this!

did you get any wheel hop? I have in deep snow.. havent aired down though...

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