Has anyone disabled telematics / LTE and GPS antennas?

[jsalbre]

When mine can't make contact, I also lose some of the apps, such as off-road pages. Those aren't resident without making contact with the mothership. When I have no cell connection, several things won't work - just so folks know ............ if they are ok without those other apps like off-road pages, go for it, but "telematics" isn't the only thing lost.

This is correct. Also, if you disconnect the battery some of the apps won't come back properly without connectivity.

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[b-roc]

If you want to disconnect your transceiver from the antenna and don't want to leave it unloaded, then what you are looking for is an RF termination. When you look at the antenna, there is a fair chance that you will find an SMA connection... so here are some examples of what you are looking for https://www.instockwireless.com/terminations.htm

This would be sufficient for manual connect/disconnect.

 

[jsalbre]

If you want to disconnect your transceiver from the antenna and don't want to leave it unloaded, then what you are looking for is an RF termination. When you look at the antenna, there is a fair chance that you will find an SMA connection... so here are some examples of what you are looking for https://www.instockwireless.com/terminations.htm

This would be sufficient for manual connect/disconnect.

I believe it uses a Fakra connector.

 

[b-roc]

I believe it uses a Fakra connector.

If so, with a 2 second Google search ... I didn't see a pre-made fakra termination... but you could use a fakra to sma (https://www.mouser.com/c/?marcom=147271707) followed by an sma termination (about $19 and $9 respectively)... there are other ways to do this ... this is just a quick plug and play option/example ... good luck

 

[BigG]

i'll repost this from another thread where i just posted this. I'm sure having all this great tech is just fine. As a net sec guy (sumdan) you should under stand this.

to throw gas on a fire, imagine a foreign country that has high tech abilities and they want to invade a place, sure is convenient to pay a few agency hacks to take over a car telemetry network and disable a few million cars and stop a population dead in it's tracks then it would be to stop them one at a time..... just saying. If gov'ts can hack into reactor sites what is stopping them from taking over a low security OEM server.

Please don't say these systems only broadcast and don't receive cause no one truly knows what these telemetry system in our jeeps are capable of.

Anyone remember when 911 happened and all GPS signals were cut off until they figured out what was going on?

not trying to be tin foil hat here, but I can guarantee someone has been paid big bucks to to make a action plan for this in the event of a problem.

To DCM's point unplugging the antenna would be the best way to stop receipt and broadcast of data and would be no different then being in the back wood with no towers around. The only draw back I could think is a the circuit is monitored and if the antenna is removed then a open circuit or change is voltage is flagged.

Here are a few white papers from Trend Micro a leading IT security outfit.

https://documents.trendmicro.com/as...5g-cloud-and-other-connected-technologies.pdf

page 24 has a 2015 jeep hack.. you think 2022 jeep has less connectivity?

https://documents.trendmicro.com/as...l26zxQ-xArKcgzox3H1VvwmJnPg7jqqlhFNlcZAbA1S2m

https://www.motorious.com/articles/features-3/kill-switches-new-cars/

 

[BigG]

I found this interesting.

 

[dcmdon]

Just a reminder that the security gateway we all unplug to use with a Tazer was developed after the hack was revealed in 2015

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Just a reminder that the security gateway we all unplug to use with a Tazer was developed after the hack was revealed in 2015

Yes, to thwart that "hack".

 

[jebiruph]

I saw this was mentioned but not answered, the 5" radio only has the am/fm antenna attached plus an XM antenna if equipped.

 

[seven30]

That's why I suggested a signal jammer. You can leave everything connected, turn it off if necessary or when at a dealership...... They are not legal in the U.S. but I suspect it wouldn't be hard to make something that would be very limited in scope - block only the truck's functions.
Or again - the tazer people may have some insight.

It's been said that Russia has the capability to cause widespread EF issues taking out power grids, and stopping vehicles - but in that case even your grandpappy's 49 Ford would be dead, then. We live in an age where even if you shut off the new technology, the old will be impacted just as easily by the right foe.

Id expect they would be using that in the Ukraine if it worked The 49 Ford points ignition is pretty tough. Its not going to care much about a high energy pulse. Probably would not even take out its vacuum tube radio.

OTOH: https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...f-car-completely-disabled-by-lightning-strike

 

[seven30]

But for those who truly and honestly want to be disconnected - it's a way. Can always turn it off if you NEED to make a call - or, stop at a gas station and use the pay phone outside.

What's a "pay phone"

 

[seven30]

I found this interesting.

Coffee Sunday.
A few years ago there was a supreme court case concerning those GPS trackers and whether or not a warrant would be needed to use one.

On January 23, 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court announced its unanimous decision in United States v. Antoine Jones (No. 10-1259),

"Justices Samuel Alito and Sonia Sotomayor offered separate opinions concurring with the majority, but highlighting the fact that the Court did not fully address the first question above -- i.e., whether the long-term monitoring of citizens' movements violates their reasonable expectations of privacy. The justices believe the question should be addressed as the use of GPS and other surveillance technologies proliferates."

AFAIK it remains to be take up.

Personal privacy whether google/facebook or FCA is a big deal and it will take congressional regulation to control this.

But the thing that really gets me is who is accessing this data? I mean the actual identities of every single person who accesses someone else's data.
I like the idea of: If you look everyone is going to know who you are too.

To restore trust we should know exactly who is looking at exactly what. And who permitted it.

 

[dcmdon]

Coffee Sunday.
A few years ago there was a supreme court case concerning those GPS trackers and whether or not a warrant would be needed to use one.

On January 23, 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court announced its unanimous decision in United States v. Antoine Jones (No. 10-1259),

"Justices Samuel Alito and Sonia Sotomayor offered separate opinions concurring with the majority, but highlighting the fact that the Court did not fully address the first question above -- i.e., whether the long-term monitoring of citizens' movements violates their reasonable expectations of privacy. The justices believe the question should be addressed as the use of GPS and other surveillance technologies proliferates."

AFAIK it remains to be take up.

Personal privacy whether google/facebook or FCA is a big deal and it will take congressional regulation to control this.

But the thing that really gets me is who is accessing this data? I mean the actual identities of every single person who accesses someone else's data.
I like the idea of: If you look everyone is going to know who you are too.

To restore trust we should know exactly who is looking at exactly what. And who permitted it.

That case centered on the concept of a warrantless search by a government agency.

Our situation is completely different. Somewhere at some time you signed something allowing Sirius and FCA to use location and vehicle data to "enhance the ownership experience" and to "share data with partners".

You, and I and all of the rest of us signed away our right to privacy vis a vis our new vehicle.

 

[seven30]

That case centered on the concept of a warrantless search by a government agency.

Our situation is completely different. Somewhere at some time you signed something allowing Sirius and FCA to use location and vehicle data to "enhance the ownership experience" and to "share data with partners".

You, and I and all of the rest of us signed away our right to privacy vis a vis our new vehicle.

Technically yes however the question remains does it violate reasonable expectations of privacy. We also sign away when we use google facebook etc. We probably sign away stuff when we get cell service and of course our ISP. The point is until Congress takes privacy seriously, and it seems they are starting to, we are all subject to massive monitoring. Europe is getting tough on this stuff. If you access European data your identity is logged along with what data you accessed and when. That information is available to the data subject.

 

[dcmdon]

Technically yes however the question remains does it violate reasonable expectations of privacy. We also sign away when we use google facebook etc. We probably sign away stuff when we get cell service and of course our ISP. The point is until Congress takes privacy seriously, and it seems they are starting to, we are all subject to massive monitoring. Europe is getting tough on this stuff. If you access European data your identity is logged along with what data you accessed and when. That information is available to the data subject.

I agree with all this.

The key point being that with current laws, it is legal for commercial entities to monitor us in a way that law enforcement can not.

Its interesting, I read an article recently that a law enforcement agency was actually contracting with a commercial real time cell phone location company. This company exists primarily to serve "relevant" ads, but that doesn't stop LE from buying the data.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/nep...ollars-located-phone-microbilt-zumigo-tmobile

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