Holy Mopar Fuel Pumps....is this anyone here???

[Hootbro]

Price is right but that is a gamble. Looks like someone had their fill of it after the repair and unloaded. Might be buying a pig in a poke or not.

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[Jteakus]

I have two diesels awaiting revised pumps per recall. I do not believe there is one available and am beginning to think there never will be.
My JL is about to roll 70k miles though. Trouble free
JT is more of a camping vehicle and only has 6K.

 

[Jteakus]

Make them throw in a good warranty to cover their work.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I see from 2 to 7% with most saying 4 to 5%
But even diesel sites say we'll probably never know exactly because of the diverse use they've seen for years.

 

[Viper501]

I suspect the answer is out there if I searched but I’m being lazy this morning. Are there any aftermarket companies capitalizing on what *should* be a relatively simple fix? I can’t imagine that the POS OEM Bosch pump is the only option out there. Could the OP buy this Sport, presuming everything else has been replaced, and simply replace the Bosch pump with a different brand or model? Sort of seems lIke a lost business opportunity for one of these companies.

Heck, even a post pump filter that would catch the debris? Again, I have no idea because while I would have loved to buy a diesel I need something to drive when I need it to drive.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I suspect the answer is out there if I searched but I’m being lazy this morning. Are there any aftermarket companies capitalizing on what *should* be a relatively simple fix? I can’t imagine that the POS OEM Bosch pump is the only option out there. Could the OP buy this Sport, presuming everything else has been replaced, and simply replace the Bosch pump with a different brand or model? Sort of seems lIke a lost business opportunity for one of these companies.

Heck, even a post pump filter that would catch the debris? Again, I have no idea because while I would have loved to buy a diesel I need something to drive when I need it to drive.

Bolted to and driven by the engine - at least that's as far as I know. Specific to the engine so I really doubt there's anyone else making them.

 

[Rusty PW]

I suspect the answer is out there if I searched but I’m being lazy this morning. Are there any aftermarket companies capitalizing on what *should* be a relatively simple fix? I can’t imagine that the POS OEM Bosch pump is the only option out there. Could the OP buy this Sport, presuming everything else has been replaced, and simply replace the Bosch pump with a different brand or model? Sort of seems lIke a lost business opportunity for one of these companies.

Heck, even a post pump filter that would catch the debris? Again, I have no idea because while I would have loved to buy a diesel I need something to drive when I need it to drive.

No one is making a replacement pump. One company is modifying the oem pump. Pinning the pistons so that they don't rotate.

 

[Stan H]

It is an automatic , it had the downhill descent control. Manuals do not have this option. Also the shifter is clearly that of an 8 speed auto. Always I look with my own eyes at the dealership I never trust pictures.

 

[RudeJeepin]

I’d like to know the actual failure rate. Of these pumps, many on the forum have been vocal about issues, but the number of people on this forum vs units sold it quite a difference. I know this is also a part issued across multiple manufacturers, is the number of affected units per capita more to make us think the ecodiesel has something different that makes it prone to failure?

My understanding is that the failure rate is somewhere under 5% across all manufacturers using this pump. Some claim closer to 7%.
2011-2023 Ford 6.7L Powerstroke
2018-2021 Ford 3.0L Powerstroke
2011-2016 GM Duramax 6.6L LML/LGH
2019-2020 Ram 6.7L Diesel
2014-2023 Ram/Jeep 3.0L Diesel
2016-2019 Nissan Titan XD 5.0L Diesel
Seems like the general consensus is garbage fuel and/or starvation is the main culprit. Garbage fuel, as in dirty/contaminated or water saturated could easily be causing starvation or cavitation inside the high pressure fuel pump.
Some also believe it's lack of lubricity in the Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel we are mandated to use in the USA.


The pump is putting out roughly 30,000psi give or take 5,000 depending on application.

 

[Jefe1018]

My understanding is that the failure rate is somewhere under 5% across all manufacturers using this pump. Some claim closer to 7%.
2011-2023 Ford 6.7L Powerstroke
2018-2021 Ford 3.0L Powerstroke
2011-2016 GM Duramax 6.6L LML/LGH
2019-2020 Ram 6.7L Diesel
2014-2023 Ram/Jeep 3.0L Diesel
2016-2019 Nissan Titan XD 5.0L Diesel
Seems like the general consensus is garbage fuel and/or starvation is the main culprit. Garbage fuel, as in dirty/contaminated or water saturated could easily be causing starvation or cavitation inside the high pressure fuel pump.
Some also believe it's lack of lubricity in the Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel we are mandated to use in the USA.


The pump is putting out roughly 30,000psi give or take 5,000 depending on application.

I’m curious about failures by region and time of year. I.E. does it happen more often than not in cold climates with winter fuel?

FWIW, my dealership says they’ve seen one pump fail since the 2nd gen eco diesel has been a thing.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

My understanding is that the failure rate is somewhere under 5% across all manufacturers using this pump. Some claim closer to 7%.
2011-2023 Ford 6.7L Powerstroke
2018-2021 Ford 3.0L Powerstroke
2011-2016 GM Duramax 6.6L LML/LGH
2019-2020 Ram 6.7L Diesel
2014-2023 Ram/Jeep 3.0L Diesel
2016-2019 Nissan Titan XD 5.0L Diesel
Seems like the general consensus is garbage fuel and/or starvation is the main culprit. Garbage fuel, as in dirty/contaminated or water saturated could easily be causing starvation or cavitation inside the high pressure fuel pump.
Some also believe it's lack of lubricity in the Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel we are mandated to use in the USA.


The pump is putting out roughly 30,000psi give or take 5,000 depending on application.

Some also say because of the pump's location clear up front away from the tank and there's no lift pump that this pump does all the work, and at times starves for fuel.
I saw at least one indication that where the pump was used with a lift pump, the survival rate was fine.

I'm not an expert on modern diesels (I'm a diesel industrial or ag guy - Case, IH, JD and so on, old school) but I can see the logic some people presented in how these were used and how with a lift pump that these always had fuel, no starvation and did less work as far as pulling fuel from a tank feet away, through a filter and so on and clear up to the front of the engine.

Maybe that's all bunk, though - just putting it out there. Always curious about this stuff even if I don't own one.

 

[Gren71]

I wonder what sort of deal they would offer. Personally wish it wasn’t white or id be making a call or two

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

I was doing my normal search and came across this Gladiator.....

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/...oTempest&utm_medium=TRP&utm_campaign=atempest

I looked at the Carfax....hmmmm....on 08/14/23 it had the entire fuel system replaced including the fuel pump at Tri-Lakes Jeep in Branson.

I called.....the service person looked up the vehicle....yes the fuel pump was replaced with OEM Mopar fuel pump and everything in the fuel system is new.

No idea how they got the parts but he said the Gladiator came in on 08/09/23 and left 08/14/23 with all new stuff.

Very interesting. Heck I'm considering buying it if I can get a good deal on it, not super close to me but has all the options I want.

Any input on this particular Gladiator and seriously just passing on the info about the fuel pump.

A concern I would have is how much shavings made it into the cylinders through the injectors (if that's possible,) and how much damage that and a lean condition occured to the short block.

 

[smlobx]

Ummmm....look at the Carfax and dealership that is selling it....it is a real vehicle....and I called the dealership that did the repairs and spoke with one of the service advisors about this specific vehicle based on the VIN.

The monroney is on the Carfax.

What is there to not trust. The information was incorrectly enterted by the selling dealership but the vehicle is real....so is the repair.

Here......here is the vehicle on the actual dealership website:
https://www.jimmygraychevy.com/used/Jeep/2022-Jeep-Gladiator--fa7646810a0e0a930374c9da7c9475e5.htm

‘The listing and the pictures show it is an automatic.

 

[RudeJeepin]

Some also say because of the pump's location clear up front away from the tank and there's no lift pump that this pump does all the work, and at times starves for fuel.
I saw at least one indication that where the pump was used with a lift pump, the survival rate was fine.

I'm not an expert on modern diesels (I'm a diesel industrial or ag guy - Case, IH, JD and so on, old school) but I can see the logic some people presented in how these were used and how with a lift pump that these always had fuel, no starvation and did less work as far as pulling fuel from a tank feet away, through a filter and so on and clear up to the front of the engine.

Maybe that's all bunk, though - just putting it out there. Always curious about this stuff even if I don't own one.

I'd question the lift pump issues also. But Ford and Dodge used lift pumps and still had failures, Chevy didn't use lift pumps and also had failures. But then again Chevy didn't use a lift pump with the CP3 and never really had any issues.
But I know that with the Cummins 5.9 with the VP44 high pressure pump, if the lift pump went out the VP44 was not long for the world. Different case, but just a little extra info.

So who really knows for sure.

I do know that we're happy with our 2 EcoDiesels, one 22JTRD with 25k miles and one 21JLURD with 29k miles.

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