Hurricane disappointment - no Hurricane engine in the next three years

[TheRealGinjaNinja]

I think any sales figures with the Wrangler 392 have to be heavily qualified with the package that came with it. The 392 came as a completely loaded, luxurious (for a Jeep) package at what, $70,000 base price? Not counting the extra options and dealer markup driving that price up. It’s not a matter of people not wanting to buy it, it’s that it outpriced anyone interested in it.

Just reinforcing your argument...the cheapest no option 392 Wrangler is $84,290, not $70k, which does include a bunch of expensive options I never buy that drives the price further.

Regarding bleda2002 comment on sales figures...if a 5.7 Hemi was a standalone $4k engine option as it should have been, sales would have been a significant piece of the overall sales pie. Jeep was lazy and it took the Bronco for them to show yes a larger/higher hp V8 does fit and stays cool...so what was the issue with the 5.7 again? The Wrangler / Gladiator with a 5.7 would have been absolutely perfect and reasonable option.

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[TheRealGinjaNinja]

Worst case, I’d hope I can just push a button and hear an audio clip of some bad ass monster V8 big block screaming out some speakers underneath.

All show no go...I would almost take that right now too lol.

 

[Jteakus]

I agree with the price point on the V8. No reason it should be that expensive

 

[CJ5w4wdSmokyOnMyTail]

This will not help sales any (even though many of us knew that the Hurricane wasn't going to happen with the current gen JL/JT). Plus, the fact that the GM twins are stealing the show now and the new Taco is soon to come means more dismal sales numbers ahead. I wonder what this will do for resale values?

Never resell!!!!

 

[bleda2002]

Just reinforcing your argument...the cheapest no option 392 Wrangler is $84,290, not $70k, which does include a bunch of expensive options I never buy that drives the price further.

Regarding bleda2002 comment on sales figures...if a 5.7 Hemi was a standalone $4k engine option as it should have been, sales would have been a significant piece of the overall sales pie. Jeep was lazy and it took the Bronco for them to show yes a larger/higher hp V8 does fit and stays cool...so what was the issue with the 5.7 again? The Wrangler / Gladiator with a 5.7 would have been absolutely perfect and reasonable option.

Cheers

They were never going to offer a 4k hemi, that's an economic fallacy. The price difference isn't just the cost of a 5.7 and tranny vs the cost of a 3.6 and tranny, which would eat the 4k already, but also the cost of R&D, custom cooling stack and intake, custom chassis and frame, recerts, testing, line switching. Those costs have to be recouped so you are easily in the 15-20k range because it's not going to be the volume model. Given the gladiator is a wrangler the price structure is already there so you would be looking at a 70-80k gladiator anyway you slice it unless they were going to offer a stripper sport with hemi for 55k.

People love to complain about the prices but the jls never been cheap and honestly when the 392 came out in the 70k's it was a great deal for a V8 powered jeep, but even then it still sold comparatively low volume because 75k for a vehicle is beyond most folks.

Only way we'd have a cheap V8 is if it's designed from the beginning to have a V8 (like a ram or dodge) so that the R&D costs could be absorbed in the initial design costs, same with testing, certs, etc.

Also the 392 does over heat in the jl, it's mitigated by a 3500 lb tow rating and 800lb payload, both numbers that would be woefully inadequate for a truck.

 

[redriderjf87]

They were never going to offer a 4k hemi, that's an economic fallacy. The price difference isn't just the cost of a 5.7 and tranny vs the cost of a 3.6 and tranny, which would eat the 4k already, but also the cost of R&D, custom cooling stack and intake, custom chassis and frame, recerts, testing, line switching. Those costs have to be recouped so you are easily in the 15-20k range because it's not going to be the volume model. Given the gladiator is a wrangler the price structure is already there so you would be looking at a 70-80k gladiator anyway you slice it unless they were going to offer a stripper sport with hemi for 55k.

People love to complain about the prices but the jls never been cheap and honestly when the 392 came out in the 70k's it was a great deal for a V8 powered jeep, but even then it still sold comparatively low volume because 75k for a vehicle is beyond most folks.

Only way we'd have a cheap V8 is if it's designed from the beginning to have a V8 (like a ram or dodge) so that the R&D costs could be absorbed in the initial design costs, same with testing, certs, etc.

Also the 392 does over heat in the jl, it's mitigated by a 3500 lb tow rating and 800lb payload, both numbers that would be woefully inadequate for a truck.

A 5.7 Gladiator would be able to be a good bit cheaper than $70s starting. Water under the bridge at this point.

 

[bleda2002]

A 5.7 Gladiator would be able to be a lot cheaper than $70s starting.

Cheapest gladiator is 40K, cheapest diesel is 50K, cheapest diesel rubicon is 60K, tell me again how a hemi which would sit above the diesel wont be 70K+ since there is no way it would be offered on a fully stripped model....

A 5.7 is not significantly cheaper than a 392, cost to stellantis is probably a thousand bucks or less in terms of actual difference, the expense is the R& D shoe-horning a truck to fit all that and then pass the SAE tests and EPA tests.

 

[redriderjf87]

Cheapest gladiator is 40K, cheapest diesel is 50K, cheapest diesel rubicon is 60K, tell me again how a hemi which would sit above the diesel wont be 70K+ since there is no way it would be offered on a fully stripped model....

70 - 40 = 30

70 - 50 = 20

 

[bleda2002]

70 - 40 = 30

70 - 50 = 20

Reading comprehension and common sense for the win. Thats a BASE sport with 3.6, a BASE willy's with a diesel, and the rubicon is a BASE rubicon with the diesel. The hemi will easily be a 8K+ upcharge minimum because its a better engine, then they need to recoup costs so they'll make sure its on a loaded up rubicon to get the highest margins...

These trucks arent designed around a v8 and arent a clean sheet design. They arent just garage swapping a V8 in and hoping for the best, they'll have literally tens of millions sunk in to the cost of doing this that they expect to turn a profit on.

 

[redriderjf87]

Reading comprehension and common sense for the win. Thats a BASE sport with 3.6, a BASE willy's with a diesel, and the rubicon is a BASE rubicon with the diesel. The hemi will easily be a 8K+ upcharge minimum because its a better engine, then they need to recoup costs so they'll make sure its on a loaded up rubicon to get the highest margins...

These trucks arent designed around a v8 and arent a clean sheet design. They arent just garage swapping a V8 in and hoping for the best, they'll have literally tens of millions sunk in to the cost of doing this that they expect to turn a profit on.

You're responding to math with emotion.

Getting upset and claiming I don't have common sense doesn't change the numbers.
The numbers take into account all of the factors mentioned.

Nothing you said invalidates the fact that:

$70s - $40s = $30 of room

$70s - $50s = $20 of room

 

[bleda2002]

You're responding to math with emotion.

Getting upset and claiming I don't have common sense doesn't change the numbers.
The numbers take into account all of the factors mentioned.

Nothing you said invalidates the fact that:

$70s - $40s = $30 of room

$70s - $50s = $20 of room

That 30K of room is on a base sport with manual everything. Literally 0 chance that would be offered so its not even a realistic scenario hence why I said you had no common sense here. The numbers I gave you are absolute minimum price for the CHEAPEST gladiators possible indicating thats the FLOOR and costs would be shoved on top of that with options. I assumed that would be understood but apparently not so I probably should have just started at cheapest rubicon and mojave since those would literally be the only ones that would possibly get the upgrade.

Those numbers are 60K for the diesel with cloth, soft top, black plastic, no options. So again, tell me how in any realistic scenario they'll make a v8 gladiator for less than 10K price increase given that they need to eat the cost of the engine and tranny, position it as the halo option, and then make it come with enough standard equipment to be considered the halo option.

 

[SPED1]

Remember these same people said that a Hemi wouldn't fit in a Wrangler. Also said the Neon SRT 4 was not going to be made. If the engineers can slap the engine in with the current harness / electronics and not have to reengineer the whole dash [think updated screen in the 24] why wouldn't they? cafe numbers would be better and that is worth $$$ to Stellates!

 

[redriderjf87]

That 30K of room is on a base sport with manual everything.
Literally 0 chance that would be offered so its not even a realistic scenario hence why I said you had no common sense here.

1.). There's "literally" 0 chance that a 5.7 is offered in any Gladiator at this point.

That's means that you would also have no common sense, for mentioning it on other trims?

2.). A 5.7 could be offered on a sport just the same as other trims.

I hope you were also able to read and comprehend the 2nd equation, which is a Gladiator priced in the $50s.

The numbers I gave you are absolute minimum price for the CHEAPEST gladiators possible indicating thats the FLOOR and costs would be shoved on top of that. I assumed that would be understood but apparently not so I probably should have just started at cheapest rubicon and mojave since those would literally be the only ones that would possibly get the upgrade.

The numbers take that into account, as previously mentioned. Typing in ALL CAPS doesn't affect that.

I thought that would be understood, but apparently not (I'm being condescending with that last part, to show what you were doing. Again, no need to be emotional).

Tell me how in any realistic scenario they'll make a v8 gladiator for less than 10K price increase

Why for less than 10k? The numbers we started with allow for more than that. I'm not dismissing it though, in this hypothetical scenario.

 

[Orange01z28]

I think any sales figures with the Wrangler 392 have to be heavily qualified with the package that came with it. The 392 came as a completely loaded, luxurious (for a Jeep) package at what, $70,000 base price? Not counting the extra options and dealer markup driving that price up. It’s not a matter of people not wanting to buy it, it’s that it outpriced anyone interested in it.

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[bleda2002]

1.). There's "literally" 0 chance that a 5.7 is offered in any Gladiator at this point.

That's means that you would also have no common sense, for mentioning it on other trims?

2.). A 5.7 could be offered on a sport just the same as other trims.

I hope you were also able to read and comprehend the 2nd equation, which is a Gladiator priced in the $50s.

If you believe jeep would ever offer the top engine on the lowest trim (which doesnt even get the diesel) then there is nothing left to say here. As I said, and you pointed out, I shouldnt have included those 2 since they're not even in the running and I should have just started at 60K since thats what I would consider the starting price given its the base version of the upper end truck configurations.

"Could" jeep offer a v8 sport, sure, but do you really think there is any world where thats a realistic option from a business standpoint?

Assuming they did it like the 392, its well over 70K all day every day for a v8 and thats assuming its a 5.7 and that they would discount it for not being the 392 which is 80K+.

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