Hurricane I6 CRATE MOTOR announced

[Minty JL]

There's a lot of stuff that's turning into body-off-frame for repairs, that's but one example according to my sales guy who watches things in the shop - and observes how often bodies get lifted off.
4xe requires body off to replace the transmission - I mention it only because I don't know about the non-4xe Wrangler situation.

Well if I want a body off maintenance experience and budget, I'll buy a Ferrari 355. I bought a fuckin Jeep.......so screw/fuck that mess.

Manufacturers are doing this shit by design to prevent DIYer and bump up stealership service numbers...........fuck them, I'm not playing that game. A 50-70k Jeep shouldn't require a $7k engine out for simple maintenance.......hell fuckin no.

Hence the reason why mine will be LS swapped before a Hemi swap.......simple maintenance. Not pulling the motor for exhaust manifold gaskets, valve cover gaskets or plugs.

I have a healthy income, but not fuck you money for a stupid jeep. Na fam, if I'm dropping money like that, it's going to be something more for filling or a pasta rocket.

Jeep is losing their bloody fuckin mind. I'm not playing tummy sticks with those fools. Want to price out 90% of your customer base.......well enjoy bankruptcy......mic drop, I'm out

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[Minty JL]

There's a lot of stuff that's turning into body-off-frame for repairs, that's but one example according to my sales guy who watches things in the shop - and observes how often bodies get lifted off.
4xe requires body off to replace the transmission - I mention it only because I don't know about the non-4xe Wrangler situation.

Yeah well I'm not sipping or drinking that Kool Aid....fuck that mess. If simple maintenance requires a body off situation
..... Not buying dot period. Sucker free Sunday is up

 

[legacy_etu]

But a fully integrated hemi is $32-36k

There is not support to integrate a hurricane in the JL or JTs...........and I'm highly doubtful it will fit based on the measurements I've taken......no room for a radiator or cooling.

The 3.0tt hurricane is based off from the 2.0t currently in the JLs, so that means it's 33% longer.........go take the measurements from a JL with a 2.0T........theres no space to accommodate the extra 33% length.

So not sure what the hype for a JT/JL is without modifications to the current platform which would not be cost effective unless Jeep wanted to make the Hurricane the standard motor across the board. So with that being stated, wouldn't happen til the JT/JL replacement is launched say in 2028 based on a 10 year platform upgrade/update.

Final thought as a former technician........look at that cooling hose/pipe on the back side of the block........that's at least a transmission out or maybe an engine out service to replace. I know on the Wagoneer it's a body off frame to replace. I always buy looking at simple services like that....... because at $200 an hour outside of warranty is not cheap for a $25 part

Right?! Exactly this. It needs to be easy to repair as well. I don’t care if something makes stupid power if it’s cost prohibitive to maintain or fix when it breaks. Reminds me of this guy on YouTube who bought a Ferrari 360 at auction and the engine was so expensive and difficult To service that he yanked the block and swapped in an LS.

Video here at 10:21 mark:

 

[yoda13]

Well if I want a body off maintenance experience and budget, I'll buy a Ferrari 355. I bought a fuckin Jeep.......so screw/fuck that mess.

Manufacturers are doing this shit by design to prevent DIYer and bump up stealership service numbers...........fuck them, I'm not playing that game. A 50-70k Jeep shouldn't require a $7k engine out for simple maintenance.......hell fuckin no.

Hence the reason why mine will be LS swapped before a Hemi swap.......simple maintenance. Not pulling the motor for exhaust manifold gaskets, valve cover gaskets or plugs.

I have a healthy income, but not fuck you money for a stupid jeep. Na fam, if I'm dropping money like that, it's going to be something more for filling or a pasta rocket.

Jeep is losing their bloody fuckin mind. I'm not playing tummy sticks with those fools. Want to price out 90% of your customer base.......well enjoy bankruptcy......mic drop, I'm out

legitimate question: if I go an LS swap, and let’s say the company who did the swap goes out of business, how can one make sure that the LS continues to play nice with the rest of the gladiator?

 

[Jefe1018]

legitimate question: if I go an LS swap, and let’s say the company who did the swap goes out of business, how can one make sure that the LS continues to play nice with the rest of the gladiator?

It’s a machine, you shouldn’t need to constantly baby it once married up and with a reputable build kit. If you’re not mechanically inclined, even if paying for someone to do the work, this might not the build for you. If you insist, remember you’ll be spending a lot of money to have someone do it, maybe make friends with the blue collar folks doing the work, they know the ins and outs of every build better than the owner sometimes.. make friends with them, maybe hit them up if that happens. If you’re in a metro area, other shops would be likely to try and help out too.

 

[yoda13]

It’s a machine, you shouldn’t need to constantly baby it once married up and with a reputable build kit. If you’re not mechanically inclined, even if paying for someone to do the work, this might not the build for you. If you insist, remember you’ll be spending a lot of money to have someone do it, maybe make friends with the blue collar folks doing the work, they know the ins and outs of every build better than the owner sometimes.. make friends with them, maybe hit them up if that happens. If you’re in a metro area, other shops would be likely to try and help out too.

I’m really just talking about making the electronics work with each other. I assuming each kit has some kind of special harness or ECU that allows them to communicate so that everything works as it should. If the company who makes these things and does the conversion goes out of business, there might be a problem if the wrong thing quits working…I’m not really talking about hard parts…

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I’m really just talking about making the electronics work with each other. I assuming each kit has some kind of special harness or ECU that allows them to communicate so that everything works as it should. If the company who makes these things and does the conversion goes out of business, there might be a problem if the wrong thing quits working…I’m not really talking about hard parts…

Correct - all "modules" must work together - engine control is tied very tightly to transmission control, cruise control - especially the ACC sort - is all tied tightly to multiple modules sharing information.
So if you run into a transmission shifting goofy - is it what they did - or the transmission? Or some other module relaying information across a CANbus that isn't behaving.

 

[Zachanadandy]

legitimate question: if I go an LS swap, and let’s say the company who did the swap goes out of business, how can one make sure that the LS continues to play nice with the rest of the gladiator?

Because not one of the swap companies is making or installing 1 off sensors or components? Whichever part fails (or isn't playing nice as you put it) will either be oem Jeep or OEM GM and available at virtually every parts store in the world.

 

[yoda13]

Because not one of the swap companies is making or installing 1 off sensors or components? Whichever part fails (or isn't playing nice as you put it) will either be oem Jeep or OEM GM and available at virtually every parts store in the world.

I was under the impression that they made proprietary items so that they could talk to one another and we can have all our stuff. Am I wrong?

 

[yoda13]

Correct - all "modules" must work together - engine control is tied very tightly to transmission control, cruise control - especially the ACC sort - is all tied tightly to multiple modules sharing information.
So if you run into a transmission shifting goofy - is it what they did - or the transmission? Or some other module relaying information across a CANbus that isn't behaving.

I am not so worried about them acting funny as much as I am them stopping communicating entirely because whatever the conversion company made failed….

 

[Zachanadandy]

I was under the impression that they made proprietary items so that they could talk to one another and we can have all our stuff. Am I wrong?

The harness itself would have a 1 in a million chance of failing I'd imagine? There are also several companies selling similar kits. Even if their harness is proprietary and you had a 1 in a million failure it shouldn't take much more than swapping to the other guys harness and ecu. It's not like the other hard parts would need changed. It's not like you'd be running the stock Jeep ecu if you did a hemi swap or hurricane so I don't see any additional risk in my opinion.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The harness itself would have a 1 in a million chance of failing I'd imagine?

I'm not laughing at you - just this thought or idea -
Wish Jeep harnesses were that reliable. (said somewhat tongue-in-cheek)

 

[Zachanadandy]

I'm not laughing at you - just this thought or idea -
Wish Jeep harnesses were that reliable. (said somewhat tongue-in-cheek)

Not sure I've seen any harness failures on here or the JL site, unless you count people bending pins taking their doors on/off or stabbing sharp objects through the fire wall? Short of user error, improper install, or rodents the actual harness is the last thing I'd worry about.

 

[BourbonRunner]

Manufacturers are doing this shit by design to prevent DIYer and bump up stealership service numbers...........fuck them, I'm not playing that game. A 50-70k Jeep shouldn't require a $7k engine out for simple maintenance.......hell fuckin no.

Ferrari has entered the chat.

Ducati with its engine-out every 1500 mile valve service has entered the chat...

Na fam, if I'm dropping money like that, it's going to be something more for filling or a pasta rocket.

...Mamma mia!

Jeep is losing their bloody fuckin mind. I'm not playing tummy sticks with those fools. Want to price out 90% of your customer base.......well enjoy bankruptcy......mic drop, I'm out

TBF, that's most of them nowadays I can't believe people will pay $200/hour to plug a Civic into a computer and tell you what's "wrong."

Could be worse, across the street at the Mercedes store it's $350 to do the same. And if you want your wipers changed and washer fluid topped off, that's another $175.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Not sure I've seen any harness failures on here or the JL site, unless you count people bending pins taking their doors on/off or stabbing sharp objects through the fire wall? Short of user error, improper install, or rodents the actual harness is the last thing I'd worry about.

OK, to clarify, I guess it's not really a harness issue when the rear camera or 3rd brake light stops working because of a connection issue.......... A number of us have had that problem.

As far as the doors off - some have had the pins push back, not bend, but not properly seated - connector issue, I guess. Pins not properly seated and pop out.

The EHPS/fire issue will be interesting.

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