Jeep is Cutting Prices and Adding Content!

[ShadowsPapa]

For those of you wanting to “upgrade” to the 4xe: please go try one out in the GCL which is about the same weight as our gladiators to see if you like it first. That’s not to dissuade you from purchase but I thought that drivetrain needs some work before it will be a good option and in a pickup it might not be a good powertrain for towing and doing truck stuff if that’s how you use your JT.

Uh, we have owned a JLU 4xe for over a year. Yeah, I'd definitely look at a JT PHEV
The power, torque, SMOOTH as hell, driving in the mountains the transmission hardly shifted at all - downshifts on some of the grades were minimal while my JT on the same roads was constantly shifting down, shifting up, down, up, down hp - the 4xe? Smooth as silk. You couldn't feel the shifts or the transfer of power between ice, electric and and combination of the two.
If you believe the powertrain needs work - you drove one that needs some work.
I can't praise the smooth powertrain of ours enough. it's so much nicer and smoother than my JT ever could be. Take-off is instant torque - exactly what you want in towing. No need to build RPM to get power to pull a load away from a dead stop - it simply goes. If more is needed, the ice kicks in and the only way I can tell if our engine is running or not is to watch the tach.
I have to say - with our 2023 JLU Rubicon 4xe - FCA nailed it.

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[chesafreak]

You have to consider their vehicle line-up. You can't just say "they had the highest prices" and drop it at that. The target audience is also right up there on top.
Other companies aim for more entry level stuff in some cases.
You also must consider that on purpose, Toyota doesn't put the latest tech and engineering into their vehicles - it helps keep their initial complaints down low. There's a reason Toyota has the reputation they have - it's not necessarily the best, it's that they never release anything on the bleeding edge. They play "safe". Where are the biggest complaints? Infotainment, electronics. Where is Toyota always a year or two behind? Infotainment, electronics.
Toyota is the company that bought Teslas to take them apart and see how things were made, manufacturing processes and so on - it's easy to talk quality when you are talking last year's stuff being sold this year.

They really had the largest supply there during covid and think they got greedy with their price increases. Also the Wagoneer is just over the top expensive.

 

[Geoarch]

When was that written? This is current -

Jeep has added more than $3,000 in content to the flagship Jeep Wrangler off-roader as well as the refreshed ’24 Gladiator midsize pickup, whose manufacturer’s suggested retail price is $1,700 lower this week starting at $38,990.

This is pretty current -

The current Sport base MSRP is under that at

But then dealers always have different numbers from my experience.........

It's not the base model for many of us, and the "options" that many of us want and/or need is what really drives up the price. I got my nearly fully loaded 2022 JTR for about 53,000 in July 2022, now the 2024 with the same options is about 15 grand more. That's one reason Jeep lost market share.

 

[Geoarch]

Uh, we have owned a JLU 4xe for over a year. Yeah, I'd definitely look at a JT PHEV
The power, torque, SMOOTH as hell, driving in the mountains the transmission hardly shifted at all - downshifts on some of the grades were minimal while my JT on the same roads was constantly shifting down, shifting up, down, up, down hp - the 4xe? Smooth as silk. You couldn't feel the shifts or the transfer of power between ice, electric and and combination of the two.
If you believe the powertrain needs work - you drove one that needs some work.
I can't praise the smooth powertrain of ours enough. it's so much nicer and smoother than my JT ever could be. Take-off is instant torque - exactly what you want in towing. No need to build RPM to get power to pull a load away from a dead stop - it simply goes. If more is needed, the ice kicks in and the only way I can tell if our engine is running or not is to watch the tach.
I have to say - with our 2023 JLU Rubicon 4xe - FCA nailed it.

That's what I'm waiting for too. I love my 2022 JTR, but our RAV4 Prime PHEV is one of the best cars I've ever owned, and with our 6.3 kW rooftop solar, we drive around town for free - yeah I now we paid for the solar, but got 36% back on our taxes and never pay our utility even in the hot New Mexico summer, and it will be "paid off" in three more years. I've already contacted by favorite sales guy in AZ to let me know when they are available. I know I'm going to get s..t for this, but so be it.

 

[Josh00333]

Just messing with it, there is no Max Tow package on the Sport S, No option for the Select Trac.

So a rig just like mine, less the max tow (All it's goodies like 4:10's), less Freedom Edition steel bumpers etc, and select trac is 53.7k. I bought mine for just over 50k, better appointed.

The willys is 55k.

Ya They may have brought the base price down but X's are 63k+ and that's for a manual, add 2500 for an auto LOL

 

[BourbonRunner]

Just messing with it, there is no Max Tow package on the Sport S, No option for the Select Trac.

So a rig just like mine, less the max tow and select trac is 53.7k. I bought mine for just over 50k, better appointed.

In other threads it appears the web builder isn't reflecting the actual order guide at the dealer, but that's not a new development.

What irritates many of us, myself included is that the Mojave and Rubicon get the better transfer cases ONLY with an X package. As I've written elsewhere, I'd prefer a cloth seated Mojave with Selectrac and a black Freedom top as opposed to body color, and yes, you get a ton with the X package but... leather will get destroyed by my dog, even with a seat cover, and I'll be removing the back seat for a platform... so again no sense in paying for something I won't use.

Jeep could keep pricing where it is so long as they offered SelecTrac on the JTM and I'd still be a buyer. Now? I'm seriously considering a Trailhunter.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Just messing with it, there is no Max Tow package on the Sport S, No option for the Select Trac.

So a rig just like mine, less the max tow (All it's goodies like 4:10's), less Freedom Edition steel bumpers etc, and select trac is 53.7k. I bought mine for just over 50k, better appointed.

The willys is 55k.

Ya They may have brought the base price down but X's are 63k+ and that's for a manual, add 2500 for an auto LOL

The build and price site is wrong - there IS max tow on Sport S. Confirmed via my dealer. He said it's right there part of the major Sport S packages on his order screen.
SelecTrac is standard in the Mojave X and Rubicon X packages. Again, confirmed via my sales guy, Scott, and I grabbed the build sheets for Xs they have in stock and on order and went line-by-line through the build sheets. It's shown as an option, but so is the whole X package thing when you think of Rubicon or Mojave. Buy the X package, you get SelecTrac and power seats, cold weather package (no longer called that) and more.

The build and price site is, as usual, just a general guide, and a poor one at that.
Heck, back in 2020, their materials showed the Rubicon as having H/T tires and the Overland coming standard with A/T tires.

 

[JTGuy]

For my loaded 2022 JTR I paid $60K plus T&L so about $67K OTD. I have added about $10K in mods installed by me. I wonder what my value is now? LOL!! When the 2025 has the Hurricane engine how much do I want it? My 2022 plus about $40K. There will be much pain by many. Not sure where I stand.

 

[johnchabin]

I wish I could understand why so many people insist on comparing the JT to a Tacoma. A Tacoma is a truck first while a JT is a wrangler first then converted to a truck. If you don’t takeoff the doors, or top, or fold down the windshield, or off-road (you know, wrangler/JT stuff) why the hell ever purchase one of these??? As far as I can tell, they’re less insulated, noisy, below average driving dynamics especially at highway speeds, and just okay on towing and other truck stuff. I absolutely love my JTRD but it’s really not a good comparison to a truck with a solid roof built from the ground up to be a truck. Of course there will be depreciation, even more so in a crowded market (Tacoma, frontier, Ranger, canyon, etc). Our gladiators are not “trucks” in the traditional sense and have a much smaller market than any of us want to admit which is driving the depreciation. Most people don’t want or don’t care to do the “Jeep” stuff above. The Gladiators are lifestyle vehicles, like the wrangler, not practical. The Tacoma too will depreciate but they have a huge share of the market which slows depreciation.
I saw the comment about real estate depreciation which doesn’t make sense. If we all wanted to control depreciation on vehicles we would only buy highly collectible ones (ya know really old cars). If you want low depreciation you have to pay to play. You will need to buy one that is highly sought after and quickly flip it because most likely you will have bought it above MSRP before production was in full swing. JTs are not that vehicle.
All this to say, enjoy what you have…or don’t and get rid of it. If you’re worried about depreciation you better get out now! Then go buy a collectible.

Wasn’t comparing them as trucks. They are the only two vehicles under 50K with a GVWR over 6000# that I can write off under section 179 that I would actually like to own. And I didn’t want another full-size pickup. I use the bed for work, but don’t need to carry 4’ x 8’ sheets of plywood.

Here’s a partial list:

https://www.taxfyle.com/blog/list-of-vehicles-over-6000-lbs

The Tacoma is not there because only the hybrid qualifies, and it hasn’t yet been released.

Not all the Gladiators are heavy enough either. The Rubicon is.

 

[JW Jeep]

Jeep just shot themselves in the foot yet again !! Lowering the price this little bit wont do crap for sales. All they did is lower value of a sinking ship. They are doing all they can to stay afloat ? At least that’s what it looks like. It’s been down hill ever since Stellantis took over. they can’t even get the order site right ? I love my Jeep buts it’s not worth any where near what I paid but thats on me.

 

[BourbonRunner]

Wasn’t comparing them as trucks. They are the only two vehicles under 50K with a GVWR over 6000# that I can write off under section 179 that I would actually like to own. And I didn’t want another full-size pickup. I use the bed for work, but don’t need to carry 4’ x 8’ sheets of plywood.

Here’s a partial list:

https://www.taxfyle.com/blog/list-of-vehicles-over-6000-lbs

The Tacoma is not there because only the hybrid qualifies, and it hasn’t yet been released.

Not all the Gladiators are heavy enough either. The Rubicon is.

I still don't understand why the Mojave with its 6140 GVW doesn't hit the 179 list.

 

[NC_Overland]

...and making the resale values of our Jeeps more dismal than they already are.

Umm, my 2020 has held its value incredibly well, but it’s MSRP was $55k and the same 2023 has a $65k MSRP. I paid $47k for it and it’s still worth $40k four years and 50k miles later. That’s trade in offers I’ve got the last few months. Markets vary, and mine is a very good looking gladiator with the Stingray paint and all. The new ones costing so much more really protected the value of the 2020s.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Would one want to purchase a home in a neighborhood knowing that the property values in that neighborhood are plummeting? Would it be wise to think that resale doesn't matter because you are going to keep the house forever no matter what?

If I did like a former co-worker did, yeah, I would. In his teens he bought his first house in a tax sale where property values were dropping. He fixed it up and flipped it - invested in another and his fixing homes up helped property values - when I met him he had no money challenges at all and was still doing the same thing. He worked only because he liked and wanted to.
So it depends...............
I wouldn't care a bit of our property values dropped - because it would mean I could fight our property tax hikes by showing dropping values in the area. So yeah - in 10 years I could save some real money on taxes. Don't plan on selling so don't care. It would cost so bloody much to move now it's all but impossible. I'd require some serious outbuildings and shop space. This is a tiny house, but still.........

 

[Alc]

Wasn’t comparing them as trucks. They are the only two vehicles under 50K with a GVWR over 6000# that I can write off under section 179 that I would actually like to own. And I didn’t want another full-size pickup. I use the bed for work, but don’t need to carry 4’ x 8’ sheets of plywood.

Here’s a partial list:

https://www.taxfyle.com/blog/list-of-vehicles-over-6000-lbs
That makes more sense.
The Tacoma is not there because only the hybrid qualifies, and it hasn’t yet been released.

Not all the Gladiators are heavy enough either. The Rubicon is.

Makes sense

 

[Alc]

Uh, we have owned a JLU 4xe for over a year. Yeah, I'd definitely look at a JT PHEV
The power, torque, SMOOTH as hell, driving in the mountains the transmission hardly shifted at all - downshifts on some of the grades were minimal while my JT on the same roads was constantly shifting down, shifting up, down, up, down hp - the 4xe? Smooth as silk. You couldn't feel the shifts or the transfer of power between ice, electric and and combination of the two.
If you believe the powertrain needs work - you drove one that needs some work.
I can't praise the smooth powertrain of ours enough. it's so much nicer and smoother than my JT ever could be. Take-off is instant torque - exactly what you want in towing. No need to build RPM to get power to pull a load away from a dead stop - it simply goes. If more is needed, the ice kicks in and the only way I can tell if our engine is running or not is to watch the tach.
I have to say - with our 2023 JLU Rubicon 4xe - FCA nailed it.

Perhaps you have a great one and all of them are like that. Again, not my experience in an GCL 4xE and 3,500lbs is a bit different than 7,500lbs. Most of my experience was highway driving and I didn’t break into the 20mpg for the 2 weeks of usage without towing a lb. My average on the 3.0L is 24mpg and 18-20mpg towing 3,000lbs. Again different experiences than yours I’m sure. Enjoy what you have.

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