Jeep Theft in Broad Daylight

[dayusmc]

I have seen them before. As long as you have something that disables the computer, everything else is useless....
Thst just stops fob cloning. Again, they don't need to clone your fob, they can program a new one in under 1 minute.

A lot if the stuff people are buying/suggesting is the equivalent of hiding under the desk in the event if a nuclear attack. If it makes you feel better, then it is worth the money. But if they can't steal it even if they have your FOB, what good would keeping them from cloning you fob do?
The basic HIDDEN kill switch or can bus immobilize is the best you are going to find for theft protection.

Clone my fob all you want, steal my fob all you want, you still aren't stealing my Jeep...

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[ShadowsPapa]

I have seen them before. As long as you have something that disables the computer, everything else is useless....
Thst just stops fob cloning. Again, they don't need to clone your fob, they can program a new one in under 1 minute.

A lot if the stuff people are buying/suggesting is the equivalent of hiding under the desk in the event if a nuclear attack. If it makes you feel better, then it is worth the money. But if they can't steal it even if they have your FOB, what good would keeping them from cloning you fob do?
The basic HIDDEN kill switch or can bus immobilize is the best you are going to find for theft protection.

Clone my fob all you want, steal my fob all you want, you still aren't stealing my Jeep...

Me backed up to your garage ready to grab your Jeep.........

(just kidding, I would never do it even if I could)

 

[SargeDiesel]

I wanted to read your survey info... do you have the actual links to them ?
Thanks

 

[abe57]

I have seen them before. As long as you have something that disables the computer, everything else is useless....
Thst just stops fob cloning. Again, they don't need to clone your fob, they can program a new one in under 1 minute.


Clone my fob all you want, steal my fob all you want, you still aren't stealing my Jeep...

This is the first I have heard of a key being produced out in the field from what I have seen is they clone the fob signal . Where have you found that they make a "KEY" out in the field ?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This is the first I have heard of a key being produced out in the field from what I have seen is they clone the fob signal . Where have you found that they make a "KEY" out in the field ?

They don't 'make' a key - they have a FOB and program that FOB they have into the Jeep - similar to how a locksmith or dealer might, but with direct access to the bus.
Keys can be programmed in.
There's a member who posted that his FOBs would no longer work - after attempted theft. What likely happened there was that the crooks wiped out his and either programmed in their fob, or attempted to and for some unknown reason stopped or were stopped - or maybe they got it done but something else happened.
In any case - his fob no longer worked due to the attempted theft.
If you find a Jeep with the glove box removed, that's likely what was being attempted, or at least something similar, because they can access the CANbus connectors there

 

[Jimmy07]

This is the first I have heard of a key being produced out in the field from what I have seen is they clone the fob signal . Where have you found that they make a "KEY" out in the field ?

Here’s a video of me programming a fob to a Ram HD (the process is the same for a gladiator). This particular programmer has way more steps involved in getting to the actual programming, and I’m not exactly flying through the process (because it’s an instructional video for those I rent it out to). I can program a fob on an HD Ram in half the time using JScan, so this gives you an idea how quickly it can be done.
NOTE- you can briefly see the “erase key” function. So if this has been performed, you simply reprogram back all the original fobs.

 

[dayusmc]

Unfortunately programming those FOBs are way too easy for thieves...

NOTE: Z Automotive released new firmware for the Tazer Mini. It has some better Pin lock features...

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yeah, like the guy in the videos I posted said - a minute for FOB programming, a minute (or less) for Ravelco bypass - under 2 minutes that have their own fob programmed and have started your vehicle.

LAYERS.

Consider a bar graph where a single bar represents 100% of all car thieves - kids wanting a joy ride, dealers looking for something to run drugs with, high-end thieves looking to get one out of the country, chop shops, whatever.

Each layer of defense - even just a bar in the steering wheel or locked hood, will take out a percentage of the 100% of all thieves, and the bar shrinks. Inability to do a relay type theft will remove a certain percentage, everything you do will shrink that number down, that bar gets smaller and smaller until you have the remaining 10% or whatever it is, and then only a locked building with alarm will stop them because they'll come along with a truck and load it up and locking your wheels and disabling the transmission lock lever won't mean squat to them because some of us can drag a vehicle onto a truck or trailer even if all 4 wheels won't turn.
So for a few, there's nothing you can do short of keeping it hidden in a locked building.

 

[willys 41]

Yeah, like the guy in the videos I posted said - a minute for FOB programming, a minute (or less) for Ravelco bypass - under 2 minutes that have their own fob programmed and have started your vehicle.

LAYERS.

Consider a bar graph where a single bar represents 100% of all car thieves - kids wanting a joy ride, dealers looking for something to run drugs with, high-end thieves looking to get one out of the country, chop shops, whatever.

Each layer of defense - even just a bar in the steering wheel or locked hood, will take out a percentage of the 100% of all thieves, and the bar shrinks. Inability to do a relay type theft will remove a certain percentage, everything you do will shrink that number down, that bar gets smaller and smaller until you have the remaining 10% or whatever it is, and then only a locked building with alarm will stop them because they'll come along with a truck and load it up and locking your wheels and disabling the transmission lock lever won't mean squat to them because some of us can drag a vehicle onto a truck or trailer even if all 4 wheels won't turn.
So for a few, there's nothing you can do short of keeping it hidden in a locked building.

Just added this wheel lock. Another layer

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XS1S4M1?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Just added this wheel lock. Another layer

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XS1S4M1?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

Why is it that everyone looks for A solution while a very few, such as yourself, realize one thing alone ain't gonna cut it.
Layers.
Each layer will remove a level of thief or theft, until you are left only with those who have trucks and can haul away almost anything. But even then - YOU will know about it while others will go out to that parking spot, scratching their heads and wondering how.......

Studies by police and insurance industry have shown that a simple, obvious device like that lock will deter a pretty fair percentage of thieves.
Make your cake look a lot less appetizing than the neighbor's cake and they'll often move on to that easier cake. Not a certainty, but most want an easy score. If they see security on one but not something else, you know the drill, no need to tell you.
Some studies claim that something so simple as the wheel lock will deter quite a few.

 

[JMHTexas]

Dallas TV news yesterday showed a couple of guys stealing a Jeep Wrangler from a parking lot. They smashed the back window, opened the drivers door and a guy got in and started it up and drove off. They did it in about 45 seconds. Is there something wrong with the Jeep security? Is there a better way to secure my Jeep Gladiator when I leave it in the open somewhere.

My 2021 Gladiator eco diesel was stolen four weeks ago in Dallas, out of parking lot in Lower Greenville area in while we went to dinner. I was shocked. The Sirius Gaurdian service was zero help. Somehow the thieves disabled the ability for me to track the vehicle on my Jeep app. I called Sirius Gaurdian and they said they had other methods for tracking but then immediately disabled my app entirely (claiming protection for me but it was really their own liability they were worried about) and would not share the location with me, only the Dallas police.

I set speed alerts, valet alerts etc. The police finally checked the location it was pinging from two days later but said it wasn't there and likely the secondary tracking device was thrown out. Then the alerts started coming in again, it was on the move over the next several days and the alerts via the Jeep app were not disabled by Guardian. Police didn't care (understandable, bigger fish to fry), Guardian wouldn't tell me anything. Its been declared a total loss, never found. My key learning is that the tracking is worthless, even if you know where it is no one cares to help you retrieve it. you can go on your own but I think mine was in a wharehouse in a bad part of town then moved out of the city to somewhere. Now I am out 25K buying a new truck, bumpers, winch, wheels and tires (ensure you have gap coverage, ensure you understand the fine print about after market add ons, I had 6K of them and got only 1500 refunded with my receipts). According to police the club just gets cut by powertools. Not familiar with other methods that might be better.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

According to police the club just gets cut by powertools. Not familiar with other methods that might be better.

If the thieves are so equipped and determined, yeah, but they are also touted by police and insurance industry as a decent method.
If they see you have tried, they'll often go to something more simple. So it may give them a clue that you have taken anti-theft measures. Don't give up on such devices, but like we preach here every page - LAYERS. Never depend on one single thing. LAYERS of protection from simple ("Club" or other steering wheel lock more difficult to remove) to the more complex electronic systems.
Police articles on "theft prevention" also say that they are a good deterrent for the most common thieves - the joy riders, or those simply into mischief, and other types.
They aren't worthless and you can find dozens of articles suggesting they actually do work as a deterrent. For your thief - possible very little would work except an independent sensor and tracking system that's too hard to find for many thieves.

There are many threads here, hundreds of posts, on this exact topic. AND - even in TRX forums, among others. There's no shortage of "my xxxx was stolen" posts and threads and 100 times as many "here are some things to try" posts.

 

[Lost1wing]

Manufacturer's make it easy to steal and refuse to fix the problem.

Government refuses to impose harsh sentences and fines for those who steal.

Insurance companies make everyone pay for localized thefts.

We must now install layers of deterrents to keep our now vandalized vehicle in our driveway. Then the insurance company will now consider it a total loss from the extended damage.

There is no real solution. It's a roll of the dice. I never even thought about these sorts of things until this forum. Maybe it's the area in which I live.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Government refuses to impose harsh sentences and fines for those who steal.

There's been a huge cut in policing and enforcement budgets. They don't have the people and time to deal with a non-personal injury situation any more.
When my father was killed in that accident in 2018 it took almost 6 months for the final report to come out. I asked why and the response was:
"this district used to have 120 troopers covering the whole district (most of central Iowa), now we are down to 18 troopers covering the same area with triple the traffic and more highways than before, and more accidents to investigate".

So they went from 120 to 18, the area stayed the same, the number of vehicles on the highway a lot more traffic, more violators, so a lot of things have to be ignored or put on the back burner.

The theft of a vehicle is a property matter, so won't be given any sort of priority at all. It's not that they don't care - it's that they can't care or aren't allowed to care or given the resources to care.

I caught a state government IT employee using bit torrent to take copyrighted movies and TV shows and music and was making them freely available to others - all using government equipment and time. It was a copyright issue among others. The agency covered it up due to "congress is watching and we need that funding" and when I contacted the FBI, I met with them a couple of times (in a restaurant away from home and work) and shared my data with them. They were interested for a while then came back with "we aren't going to go after this because we don't have the resources".
It was a property crime, small stuff, so it was let go.

 

[Jeep&Drift]

The number 1 way to keep from getting your jeep stolen is by taking your pillow and blanket and permanently living inside it. Also as an added layer of protection. A “for sale” sign with “transmission issues”

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