JT a sales failure & doomed to same fate as the Scrambler?

[Bonanza]

Why does everyone need a 4 second 0-60 vehicle? My 21 Mojave has been just what I wanted. Plenty of room, top and doors off and drives just fine for my standards. I'm from a GM family and would Never own another one! My opinion. My Gladiator has more character than Any midsize truck out there period!

It's not about quickness, its about perceived effortlessness. If you've towed with your gladiator, you'd know. The powerband in these is just not suited for a truck. Sitting at 4k to make power, and the commensurate chugging of gas, simply is not ideal. The gladiator rides poorly, has poor mpg, and doesn't have the powertrain to make you forget that.

Now, a large powerplant would make those other items more forgivable, but as is, makes them even more glaring. Up and down this platform is plenty of room for improvement. I still like mine quite a bit, but the field of competition is crowded. For now, the one thing the gladiator has is the ease of slapping on 37s and a cheap lift. If ANY other manufacturer comes to market with that in mind, and makes a better product, I'm not blindly brand loyal-- I would consider it.

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[sharpsicle]

It's not about quickness, its about perceived effortlessness. If you've towed with your gladiator, you'd know. The powerband in these is just not suited for a truck. Sitting at 4k to make power, and the commensurate chugging of gas, simply is not ideal. The gladiator rides poorly, has poor mpg, and doesn't have the powertrain to make you forget that.

Hard disagree. And I've towed plenty with the Gladiator. "Perceived effortlessness" is just non-sensical word salad, a way of trying to quantify the "I want more even though I don't need it" sentiment. Just like any other truck, you need to change the way you drive to accommodate the new load. Nothing wrong with that at all. Expecting to put 5,000 lbs or more behind a truck in this category and expect nothing to change in its behavior is bonkers.

Want more? Go up a class.

I take it you haven't tried towing with a Ranger or Tacoma. You'd quickly find the Gladiator can handle it better.

 

[Shopshirt]

This popped in my queue this morning. Not a "is Jeep failing video" but interesting video on asymmetrical inventory and high interest rate impacts on the industry.

Features a dealer with Toyota and CDJR dealerships. Has hardly any Toyota units on the lot but has tons of Jeep and Ram units.

 

[Chunky White]

This popped in my queue this morning. Not a "is Jeep failing video" but interesting video on asymmetrical inventory and high interest rate impacts on the industry.

Features a dealer with Toyota and CDJR dealerships. Has hardly any Toyota units on the lot but has tons of Jeep and Ram units.

My local Toyota dealership says they barely get any new vehicles and thats why they are empty. The Honda dealership is the same way and its been like that since 2020.

The manager at one of the local GM dealerships says GM is making more money selling less vehicles without big rebates and less employees than they did when they sold 3 times as many and employed more people but had huge rebates.

I am buddies with some of the local salesman and managers because I grew up with a family in the business, still have family in the business and I trade almost every year. I miss the days of $10k+ rebates and 0% financing

 

[Shopshirt]

My local Toyota dealership says they barely get any new vehicles and thats why they are empty. The Honda dealership is the same way and its been like that since 2020.

The manager at one of the local GM dealerships says GM is making more money selling less vehicles without big rebates and less employees than they did when they sold 3 times as many and employed more people but had huge rebates.

I am buddies with some of the local salesman and managers because I grew up with a family in the business, still have family in the business and I trade almost every year. I miss the days of $10k+ rebates and 0% financing

Oh...the normal standard of manufacturing based on projected demand. I definitely think the Pandemic put an end to the Big 3 Channel Stuffing. No more inflated sales and earnings figures for your shareholders by sending dealerships more products than they are able to sell. I feel like we are now in the age of manufactured scarcity.

 

[Summitsearcher]

 

[Dryfly24]

I stopped taking you serious when you said 5th gen ....its a 3rd gen Tacoma going into a 4th gen and composite beds are not solid plastic bro look it up. Composite is a mixture of materials. Personally I have no issue with composite beds . For me it is the seating position that mainly gets me , I get leg cramps and back issues .

Sure thing buddy. First off, I meant 3rd gen for some reason I typed 5th. Sorry, I’m 60 so entitled to senior moments every now and then. You can use that as an excuse to discount my very real experience. I was a member of those forums so very familiar.

I‘m also aware it’s a “composite” bed - whatever that means. It’s still semantics if the results are the same. You can’t mount anything of any weight to the bed without reinforcing it or it will warp. That’s the bottom line. Call it what you want.

I also have back issues and yes I agree wholeheartedly. The seating position was invented by a sadist. Another of those myriad reason why I think the truck sucks. ?

Edited to add the pic in order to head off the eventual “ I bet you never even owned one” comment. . . ???

My biggest regret is pissing away all the money I did, just trying to make this truck into half the off road truck my Rubi Gladiator is.

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

Sure thing buddy. First off, I meant 3rd gen for some reason I typed 5th. Sorry, I’m 60 so entitled to senior moments every now and then. You can use that as an excuse to discount my very real experience. I was a member of those forums so very familiar.

I‘m also aware it’s a “composite” bed - whatever that means. It’s still semantics if the results are the same. You can’t mount anything of any weight to the bed without reinforcing it or it will warp. That’s the bottom line. Call it what you want.

I also have back issues and yes I agree wholeheartedly. The seating position was invented by a sadist. Another of those myriad reason why I think the truck sucks. ?

I'm 42 so your age doesn't matter , also I wouldn't say the truck sucks it just isnt right for everyone. It literally out sells all mid size . I am thinking about a Gladiator but I'm waiting until the 2024 models are announced. My issue is quality concerns, I keep seeing guys post issues with the Gladiator which is getting into my decision making mind . Check engine lights should not come on for no reason 2000 km in . Don't join the fb group Gladiator issues is all I'm saying lol

 

[sharpsicle]

Check engine lights should not come on for no reason 2000 km in .

They don't. They have a reason, it's called the DTC code. Just like any other vehicle.

Don't join the fb group Gladiator issues is all I'm saying lol

You joined an "Issues" group and are surprised to see issues?

 

[Dryfly24]

BTW, I took that truck all over the first year.

I'm 42 so your age doesn't matter , also I wouldn't say the truck sucks it just isnt right for everyone. It literally out sells all mid size . I am thinking about a Gladiator but I'm waiting until the 2024 models are announced. My issue is quality concerns, I keep seeing guys post issues with the Gladiator which is getting into my decision making mind . Check engine lights should not come on for no reason 2000 km in . Don't join the fb group Gladiator issues is all I'm saying lol

LMAO, you Know what matters to me Junior? Experience. Everything else is bullshit.

Here is my first hand experience: I sunk well over 10k into making that truck more capable as a DD and off road overlanding/camping vehicle. I took it on a multi state overlanding trip that encompassed most of the western side of this country to include but not limited to: SD, WY, MT, ID, UT, AZ, NM, CO, TX, OK, KS, MN, and a shitload more. Visited Moab, Yellowstone, the Badlands, etc. Got sick of trying to make it into what I could’ve had had I just bought the gladiator and not done anything to it in the first place.

Traded it in, bought my present Rubi and pretty much repeated the whole trip. I have never been happier with a truck.

That’s my actual, first hand experience. Not some bullshit I read on a forum. YMMV. . . ?

 

[ScoGlad21]

Gladiator sales for 2022 were off 13% vs. 2021. The whole Jeep brand was off 12%.
That said, there were nearly 78,000 JTs sold in 2022, more than 11% of total Jeep
sales.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see 1st Q 2023 sales numbers.

Kevin

According to Forbes, overall U.S. new car sales were off 9% '22 v '21 and 20% '22 v pre-covid '19. Much of that was inventory availability. New car lots were virtually empty. Looks like the Jeep brand underperfomed even terrible industry stats, however.

 

[GOT FLOYD]

It's not about quickness, its about perceived effortlessness. If you've towed with your gladiator, you'd know. The powerband in these is just not suited for a truck. Sitting at 4k to make power, and the commensurate chugging of gas, simply is not ideal. The gladiator rides poorly, has poor mpg, and doesn't have the powertrain to make you forget that.

Now, a large powerplant would make those other items more forgivable, but as is, makes them even more glaring. Up and down this platform is plenty of room for improvement. I still like mine quite a bit, but the field of competition is crowded. For now, the one thing the gladiator has is the ease of slapping on 37s and a cheap lift. If ANY other manufacturer comes to market with that in mind, and makes a better product, I'm not blindly brand loyal-- I would consider it.

I didn't buy mine for mods. I bought it because

It's not about quickness, its about perceived effortlessness. If you've towed with your gladiator, you'd know. The powerband in these is just not suited for a truck. Sitting at 4k to make power, and the commensurate chugging of gas, simply is not ideal. The gladiator rides poorly, has poor mpg, and doesn't have the powertrain to make you forget that.

Now, a large powerplant would make those other items more forgivable, but as is, makes them even more glaring. Up and down this platform is plenty of room for improvement. I still like mine quite a bit, but the field of competition is crowded. For now, the one thing the gladiator has is the ease of slapping on 37s and a cheap lift. If ANY other manufacturer comes to market with that in mind, and makes a better product, I'm not blindly brand loyal-- I would consider it.

I'm not blindly brand loyal! I purchased a vehicle that doesn't look like any of the others, no mods intended. If you choose to buy another, good for you. I'm not gonna bash a vehicle that I have no intentions of driving.

 

[ScottBeach]

Thinking some more i dont think a larger engine would be good. Too much power on a light truck can be as bad as too little.
Towing limits wouldnt change i think.

 

[GOT FLOYD]

I didn't buy mine for mods. I bought it because

I'm not blindly brand loyal! I purchased a vehicle that doesn't look like any of the others, no mods intended. If you choose to buy another, good for you. I'm not gonna bash a vehicle that I have no intentions of driving.

Sorry, my phone dropped my first message

 

[bleda2002]

Thinking some more i dont think a larger engine would be good. Too much power on a light truck can be as bad as too little.
Towing limits wouldnt change i think.

Perfect amount would be the 5.7 hemi level of power (be it from hybrid, turbos, or displacement). It's plenty for every situation with out being too much for the platform.

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