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Look at the 24 Tacoma TRD Pro. Look at the expected price and features. Jeep is screwing themselves with trying to compete with that truck. The TRD pro should release in April of this year. Right around the time deliveries of the 24 gladiator should be IF they release pricing in January. Dealerships near me are saying the 24 Rubicon X will be about 72k. They are smoking crack if they think that truck is worth that price. Meanwhile the Tacoma TRD pro and trail hunters are expected to top off at 62k. Real no brainier. That's going to be the deciding factor for me. Whenever the dealership calls and says here's the pricing and it's over 67k for a Rubicon X and then yeah I'll walk and get the Tacoma. Worlds more reliable.....but you can't take the doors and top off. Buy a cheap TJ and get that thrill I guess.
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It looks like you can add leather / power seats to non-X model Mojave and Rubicons now. Also confirms that the black/green interior is the only option for Mojave leather.

Also noticed that the HD Rock Sliders with Step Assist are no longer available and the Doors off mirror kit went from $195 to $765. ?
 
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Look at the 24 Tacoma TRD Pro. Look at the expected price and features. Jeep is screwing themselves with trying to compete with that truck. The TRD pro should release in April of this year. Right around the time deliveries of the 24 gladiator should be IF they release pricing in January. Dealerships near me are saying the 24 Rubicon X will be about 72k. They are smoking crack if they think that truck is worth that price. Meanwhile the Tacoma TRD pro and trail hunters are expected to top off at 62k. Real no brainier. That's going to be the deciding factor for me. Whenever the dealership calls and says here's the pricing and it's over 67k for a Rubicon X and then yeah I'll walk and get the Tacoma. Worlds more reliable.....but you can't take the doors and top off. Buy a cheap TJ and get that thrill I guess.
I feel the downside there may be that few, if any, Toyota stores are willing to do what many Jeep stores do in terms of below invoice parking - especially on a new truck that will be “hot”.
 

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It looks like you can add leather / power seats to non-X model Mojave and Rubicons now. Also confirms that the black/green interior is the only option for Mojave leather.

Also noticed that the HD Rock Sliders with Step Assist are no longer available and the Doors off mirror kit went from $195 to $765. ?
Sarge and silver are officially removed from this sheet.
 

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Interesting. I see Max Tow is offered on the Sport S per the guide. Previous word it was only going to be a base Sport only option for 2024.
 

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Sarge and silver are officially removed from this sheet.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I’m new to the process. Are the order guides final for the model year or are they updated throughout the year? Wondering with these colors being removed, are they gone for good or could they be added back later in the year?
 

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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I’m new to the process. Are the order guides final for the model year or are they updated throughout the year? Wondering with these colors being removed, are they gone for good or could they be added back later in the year?
Never say never but it looks like these are gone. If it was a supply chain issue they would stay on the order sheet but just be unavailable from the dealer.
 

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So if I ordered sarge green before the revision and order is confirmed and at D1, will mine be built in that color still or is that going to come back as a problem once they start the build because it’s been removed? Has anyone had experience with this?
 

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So if I ordered sarge green before the revision and order is confirmed and at D1, will mine be built in that color still or is that going to come back as a problem once they start the build because it’s been removed? Has anyone had experience with this?
I would assume you’d be good to go.
 

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I really need to know why the doors off kit increased close to 300%!!
 

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gladiator should be IF they release pricing in January. Dealerships near me are saying the 24 Rubicon X will be about 72k. They are smoking crack if they think that truck is worth that price. Meanwhile the Tacoma TRD pro and trail hunters are expected to top off at 62k. Real no brainier. That's going to be the deciding factor for me. Whenever the dealership calls and says here's the pricing and it's over 67k for a Rubicon X and then yeah I'll walk and get the Tacoma. Worlds more reliable.....but you can't take the doors and top off. Buy a cheap TJ and get tha
Well first off comparing the Rubicon X and TRD Pro isn't even close to apples to apples. Tacoma does not offer a front locking diff. It doesn't offer a solid front axle. And the Rucibon X has, factory, a lift and 35" tires. TRD Pro only supports 32" tires, and no front locker. So it's not even a fair comparison to complain about Jeep being more expensive when Tacoma doesn't even offer close to the same capability. I dont think people choose JT only because the doors and top. Who cares - mine will never come off except for maintenance or repair needs. Sure the TJ gets naked once in a while, but I didn't buy either of them for that. It's everything else. I hate the Taco. Ergonomics suck, drivability sucks, transmission is terrible, no solid front axle, not even an option for a front locker, aftermarket support that is barely half as robust as what is available for Jeep etc... But that is personal opinion to me. The JT checks every box. Sure it's more expensive, but it fits everything I want and need. I dont think many will spring for the Rubicon X. Thats cream of the crop right there, and Toyota doesn't have anything in its lineup that can hang in the same category. It is more applicable to compare the Tacoma with the new Ranger Raptor. Until other manufacturers offer 35's out of the box and front lockers, Jeep stands entirely on its own. And that's what differentiates them. To someone who doesn't care about that, the Jeep is a total waste, an excess. Then again, 1st world problems. I am by no means justifying or supporting current market prices - it is all bogus. But top of the line TRD Pro doesn't even come close to the capabilities of a top of the line Rubicon X


Interesting. I see Max Tow is offered on the Sport S per the guide. Previous word it was only going to be a base Sport only option for 2024.
Maybe this has something to do with the full floating axle?
 

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I noticed that the Rubicon X seats are Nappa Leather and Mojave X seats are leather trimmed. Any idea what the difference is between the 2?
 

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Interesting. I see Max Tow is offered on the Sport S per the guide. Previous word it was only going to be a base Sport only option for 2024.
sucks that they changed this after my order (9-18-2023) - but at the same time we desire as close to the max payload (1725#) as possible - so a base sport max tow should get us #1700+

it would have been tough to pass up on a few “light weight” options - so it forced my hand which is good - I guess ?
 

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Well first off comparing the Rubicon X and TRD Pro isn't even close to apples to apples. Tacoma does not offer a front locking diff. It doesn't offer a solid front axle. And the Rucibon X has, factory, a lift and 35" tires. TRD Pro only supports 32" tires, and no front locker. So it's not even a fair comparison to complain about Jeep being more expensive when Tacoma doesn't even offer close to the same capability. I dont think people choose JT only because the doors and top. Who cares - mine will never come off except for maintenance or repair needs. Sure the TJ gets naked once in a while, but I didn't buy either of them for that. It's everything else. I hate the Taco. Ergonomics suck, drivability sucks, transmission is terrible, no solid front axle, not even an option for a front locker, aftermarket support that is barely half as robust as what is available for Jeep etc... But that is personal opinion to me. The JT checks every box. Sure it's more expensive, but it fits everything I want and need. I dont think many will spring for the Rubicon X. Thats cream of the crop right there, and Toyota doesn't have anything in its lineup that can hang in the same category. It is more applicable to compare the Tacoma with the new Ranger Raptor. Until other manufacturers offer 35's out of the box and front lockers, Jeep stands entirely on its own. And that's what differentiates them. To someone who doesn't care about that, the Jeep is a total waste, an excess. Then again, 1st world problems. I am by no means justifying or supporting current market prices - it is all bogus. But top of the line TRD Pro doesn't even come close to the capabilities of a top of the line Rubicon X
Consider yourself lucky the snow today cancelled all my appointments and I have the time to go deep on this ;)

Here's my take:

Jeep has a fully removable or retractable top. Taco offers a moon roof. The GM twins offer a sun roof. No other mid-size trucks have the option (Ranger Raptor was on my list until I found that out). Can't take the doors or top off of anything but a jeep but having a moon roof/sun roof is better than nothing.​

Advantage: Jeep, assuming you don't mind the inconvenience of removal and storage (Sunrider tops are a great option in this space). Otherwise pressing a button and at least getting a view of the sky isn't so bad.

The JT is far more capable off road out of the box if your off roading is extreme rock crawling. If not there's nothing a Tacoma/Bison/ATX can't do a JT can.​

Advantage: Wash. If you're into heavy duty rock crawling, get a Jeep. If you're not, something else. See below.

With regards to the front lockers: I've had many 4x4 vehicles over the years and though a rear locker is super-handy, I've never had need for a front locker. Granted, my off roading isn't rock crawling but I've also never been in a position where I've thought "Gee, I could use a front locker." But if it is needed, Toyotas have long had front lockers available in the aftermarket from ARB and others. But keep in mind that improper use of a front locker on an IFS is asking to snap a CV which will always happen at the worst possible time, 20 miles from a paved road. GMC does offer a front e-locker on the AT4X/Bison so there is that.​
And that goes into the reliability of IFS vs SFA. IFS has its stress points and an SFA is a more robust platform out of the gate, but note that every single performance off road vehicle, from the Bronco to the Raptors are using IFS. 25 years ago it was a different story but I think that IFS as a "weak point" is less of a concern than ever before.​
Advantage: GM Twins (but only the AT4X and Bison)

SFA death wobble is a real issue, and even with all the whiz bang suspension magic of the Mojave, Jeep still can't eradicate it. That is a non-issue with any other mid-size trucks because they're all IFS. Since the majority of 99% of the buying public's driving is on road, this is a big one.​

Advantage: Anything other than Jeep.

Customization: Jeep by far. If you're into that end of it, there is more support for Jeep than any other brand. But that isn't to say that the others don't have support, it's just that Jeep has more.​

Advantage: Jeep. Toyota is a distant second.

Toyota wins hands down on reliability over the long haul. They're the only manufacturer I'd consider buying a first year model of, and their hybrid system is the very best in the market. It ought to be- they've had 20 years to perfect it. The biggest issue with Toyota over the long haul is the vehicle will rust away before the mechanical side dies.​

Advantage: Toyota everyday and twice on Sunday.

Towing:

JT Max Tow, Canyon, Colorado are rated for well over 7000lbs. TRD Pro and Trailmaster are not yet released but regular Tacoma's max at 6500lbs and TRD Off Road is 6400lbs. But the Rubicon and Mojave are closer to the base Taco, and the AT4X/Bison are at 6500lbs... I'd expect the heavier hybrid Tacos to be lower than the base gassers.​
Granted, if you're regularly towing heavier loads mid-size trucks aren't the right tool for the job. Longer wheelbase and heavier capacity are the world of the full size but being able to haul a car trailer to the track, a small RV, dump trailer etc are nice if needed.​
Advantage: Anything but Tacoma.

The other issue: Price & Buying

The Trailmaster and TRD Pro are going to sticker around $62K**. Rubicon and Mojave X will be north of that. AT4X starts at $65k.​
**Toyota dealers are notorious for "market adjustments" over the sticker price. Dont expect to get a Trailhunter or TRD Pro at or near sticker initially.​
But the bigger issue is how Toyota handles "orders" on high demand vehicles-- Which is total bullshit. They don't do custom orders from the factory like Jeep. Instead, you pick 2-3 colors of the trim you want, put down your deposit, and if the dealer gets allocated that model/color/trim, they'll call you. You may or may not have certain factory options included, all depends on the factory's build spec, not yours. Many options can be dealer installed but if you absolutely have to have the Trailhunter in Bronze with a sunroof and one doesn't come up for 6months, that's not their problem. (this is part of why we didn't buy a Rav4 Hybrid for her- we weren't interested in waiting months to **maybe** get the colors/options we wanted.)​

Advantage: Jeep and anyone other than Toyota. I'm not spending that kind of money unless I get the truck I want the way I want it.
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