Lots are mostly empty of new vehicles!

[andrew8404]

You got a good deal on your trade, but how did you fair with price of the new one? I only ask, because this same thing has been going through my head.

just traded in my 2020 Sport S for 40 after paying 35 for it. Then I got a Rubicon for roughly 5k off msrp. So there are deals out there just gotta find a dealer to work with.

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[MPMB]

Dealers around here have 10-15 JTs in stock, most Rubicon, Mojave, or Willys. The local Chevy dealer keeps shuffling their 30 cars around in their 100-car lot to make it look full.

Toyota is slowly releasing new Tacoma builds, but if you want a new Venza, there are plenty to choose from on the lot. You must like navy, burgundy, or silver.

I think the bean counters are going to find out if keeping the demand artificially high will keep profit margins higher. Means less people working at the factories, but hey, they're only people. They can get jobs building solar panels. :| (sarcasm)

An example would be Kia and their roll-out of the Telluride. They were only going to produce X amount a month, regardless of demand. Turns out demand was high. So they didn't have to offer discounts and other kickback promotions.

 

[Trauma PA]

just traded in my 2020 Sport S for 40 after paying 35 for it. Then I got a Rubicon for roughly 5k off msrp. So there are deals out there just gotta find a dealer to work with.

So you paid 35 for your Sport but how much did you pay for your mods? Looks like some black rhino wheels and 35s or 37s and maybe a lift? Any new front bumper or winch?

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

The issue isn't chips in the bigger picture, it' this whole "just in time" manufacturing model aka "Lean" manufacturing. No manufacturers carry a surplus or inventory over exactly what they need for that exact moment. In the 90's they found they could save tons of dollars by ordering stuff to show up just in time for the install, and that way past some costs on to the sub vendor/manufacturer of the widget who then has to pay for the storage of the parts until the main company orders them.

Back in the day when communications sucked and computers didn't rule the world, car manufacturers bought parts in bulk based on estimated production quantities...but that cost them money and they had left overs.

most of the auto manufacturers got caught with their pants down with covid and got screwed because their vendors where shut down or didn't have the employees to stamp the widget thus couldn't meet the just in time supply schedule and everything came crashing down like dominos.

Toyota was a little better cause they saw problem ahead of everyone else and developed a robust database that tracked supply chains of vendors of vendors of vendors and can quickly assess the health of their supply chain and step in if need be to keep their end production moving along. The big 4 and many others failed.

very interesting article here if you want to know why there are no cars right now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ply-chain-helped-it-weather-the-chip-shortage

Oh I agree.

 

[AmishMike]

Here in central Pa. the lots are still full.
The world has a tendency to go around us here anyways.

 

[TomH]

The Jeep dealer in the small town I live in has more JTs sitting on the lot, than I've ever seen them have. But the chip thing is not just cars. I work in IT and you cannot buy a Microsoft Surface right now. They are out of stock for the next several weeks. Other computer bits and pieces are like that also.

 

[869 KPH]

I think the bean counters are going to find out if keeping the demand artificially high will keep profit margins higher. Means less people working at the factories, but hey, they're only people. They can get jobs building solar panels. :| (sarcasm)

Eh, they'll probably also see that making an extra few grand off of far fewer units sold isn't really worth it long term. They gotta move volume to make real money.

In other news, who wants to buy a nice, used full-size truck? 21.5 years old, 180k miles, just breaking in. 22k firm. I know what I've got.

 

[colindo]

Not the original poster, but I’ll give you my story.
I bought my 2019 JLU for 8% under invoice and traded it in in March with 16k miles for $600 more than I paid (before tax).
Same dealer gave me 7% under invoice on the new gladiator I ordered. Took about 50 days to come in.
Sold orders are a different allocation than orders destined for the lot, so I think you can get a better deal ordering than on the lot for Jeeps atleast.

Looking at doing something similar. I assume you held on to the JLU for the 50 days or did you have to trade in at that time?

 

[Hootbro]

Yup - Asian manufacturers try to predict the future and look ahead, not much with American manufacturers. They forecast out lot farther.

Asian manufacturers are also more vertically integrated and control the raw materials supply for what they make a lot better also. USA companies use to be the same but now just want to be assemblers and not full manufacturers

 

[tampahoosier]

Lakeland CDJ has my truck already listed that I traded in last week for, they are basically asking MSRP on it!
https://www.lakelanddodge.com/inven...ubicon-4wd-crew-cab-pickup-1c6jjtbgxll204487/

 

[andrew8404]

So you paid 35 for your Sport but how much did you pay for your mods? Looks like some black rhino wheels and 35s or 37s and maybe a lift? Any new front bumper or winch?

I put the vehicle back to stock. So I kept majority of the mods. The only thing I didn’t keep was the MC lift due to needing the stock suspension which I sold to my neighbor. I also sold the black rhino wheels since they wouldn’t match.

 

[MPMB]

Asian manufacturers are also more vertically integrated and control the raw materials supply for what they make a lot better also. USA companies use to be the same but now just want to be assemblers and not full manufacturers

Right. When you look at Japanese companies, they are huge and are very diversified as well.

I don't know how it is now, but 20 years ago, Japanese manufacturers didn't quite exemplify the "kanban" system they so proudly created. Inside the plant things worked "smoothly", but outside the plant...

The trucks delivering the parts were parked for miles outside the plant, waiting to be needed. Trucks were mobile warehouses, basically.

Your comment on being assemblers is pretty accurate. Take a look at Boeing. They don't make airplanes (and haven't for a long time). They make wings and assemble planes. I had a pompous professor once proclaim that in 10 years, Japan will be making it's own planes. He's still wrong.

 

[93civej1]

I put the vehicle back to stock. So I kept majority of the mods. The only thing I didn’t keep was the MC lift due to needing the stock suspension which I sold to my neighbor. I also sold the black rhino wheels since they wouldn’t match.

Thats my only concern with looking. Did you return it to stock before going and getting it appraised for trade in, or did they let you return it to stock after you did the deal?

 

[Clv22p]

An example would be Kia and their roll-out of the Telluride. They were only going to produce X amount a month, regardless of demand. Turns out demand was high. So they didn't have to offer discounts and other kickback promotions.

...and you have people like my sister that paid $3000 ADM for her Telluride!

 

[tampahoosier]

...and you have people like my sister that paid $3000 ADM for her Telluride!

God, I can’t imagine ever paying sticker on a Kia or Hyundai, let alone over sticker.

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