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Well said. We didn’t have the turbo as our Trailhawk was a ‘17. Ours had no lag at intersections, but likely had less total power than yours does.So I some what fit this thread perfectly, I have a JT sport S, and my GF has the Renegade Trailhawk. I'll be honest in saying I wasn't a fan of the Renegade when it was first announced, but after actually sitting in one I actually like it quite a bit, even with both of us being very tall.
While they seem small on the outside, they feel cavernous on the inside, especially after being used to sitting in a JL/JT. They've got great visibility, but cargo space may cause you issues. While the power train is lack luster compared to the JL/JT, we both find it does plenty well for the Renegade. It has the turbo powerplant, and the only complaint with it is the delay from a stop. After the turbo builds pressure though, it scoots right along. While it's probably a hair overpriced for what it brings to the table, I do think it's got better off road chops than it's competition, and the funky look is appealing to both of us (I know this likely isn't a popular opinion on this forum though). Luckily she bought it early in the pandemic, and there was about $5k work of rebates on it so that helped her choose it vs some other models. We drove it a bit this winter through some snow storms and it's snow mode did well, and climbed some very steep snow covered inclines without much slippage at all.
All in all, we're both glad she got it and I also enjoy some spirited driving in it when we're about and about in town. Its great for grocery runs and small parking spaces, but I don't think I'd own it as the sole vehicle in the garage as you'll likely need more cargo space for certain daily activities.
Hope this helps.
This, so this. Off roading for most people is fire roads, gravel roads, and dirt roads with a few holes, dips, and some rocks. Realistically anything that won't get high centered and has decent ATs will get through that stuff pretty readily with nothing more than a rough ride and a slow pace. Unless you plan on going through lots of mud, over large climbs, or "deep" water (more than 10-12 inches) almost any of these awd or 4wd cuvs will work.Also, any regular car CAN be turned into a decent off road vehicle with nothing more than some suspension parts and tires. Especially if its got a short wheelbase and short front and rear overhangs.
It worked for Porsche.
Google a dirt every day video of a renegade doing black bear pass. Most people consider that a real 4x4 trail.This, so this. Off roading for most people is fire roads, gravel roads, and dirt roads with a few holes, dips, and some rocks. Realistically anything that won't get high centered and has decent ATs will get through that stuff pretty readily with nothing more than a rough ride and a slow pace. Unless you plan on going through lots of mud, over large climbs, or "deep" water (more than 10-12 inches) almost any of these awd or 4wd cuvs will work.
Subaru is a prime example, they really aren't anything special but they've convinced people that they some how are off road champions despite really being no better than pretty much any other semi tall cuv with the same tires.
Good video, thanks for the recommendation. I think it honestly just reinforces what I was agreeing with. Black bear pass is definitely a real dangerous trail but realistically its just ass puckery (rightfully so) and a test of the driver/spotter. There isn't a lot technical there that's going to require big tires, extra high clearance or tons of flex.Google a dirt every day video of a renegade doing black bear pass. Most people consider that a real 4x4 trail.
You can't let your Pops drive this vehicle. It's not a proper way for a grown man to get around.
mopeds are fun, you just don't want to be seen by your friends on one...Agreed. No grown ass man should be driving one of those.
I have to give props to whatever mad FCA employee pitched it. Clearly it is working.It's the same car. Literally the same car.
J Jonah Jameson, is that you?I have to give props to whatever mad FCA employee pitched it. Clearly it is working.
Board room: "How do we sell more FIATs in North America?"
Mad Lad: "We don't."
Board room: "...... I'm sorry?"
Mad Lad: "We sell more Jeeps instead."
Board room: "That doesn't solve for FIAT..."
Mad Lad: "No, no, we just badge the FIAT 500X as a Jeep."
Board room:" Ok...continue"
Mad Lad: "We bring in all of the emotional ties our customers have to Jeep, the 7 slot grille, the headlights, throw on some Trail Rated badges, red recovery hooks."
Loud applause.
FCA/ Stallantis can badge engineer the 500X all they want. The Renegade is still underneath a shitty FIAT that was a total flop here. The platform is crap, the reliability is crap, the drivetrain is crap. It is produced in Italy on the 500X line by a bunch of apathetic workers.
FCA is pandering to the Jeep crowd to sell FIATs in NA, and some of you are clearly falling for it.
Provide stats? Stats on what? Anyone who claims Fiats are reliable are smoking crack.J Jonah Jameson, is that you?
You realize in no way does your rant here help the conversation? Provide some stats about all the points you're trying to make, otherwise it's just a personal (angry?) opinion. I think we all agree here it's more of an econo-car and not as robust compared to the JL/JT, but the price also reflects that.
This not an opinion. It's a fact. You know the difference right?J Jonah Jameson, is that you?
You realize in no way does your rant here help the conversation? Provide some stats about all the points you're trying to make, otherwise it's just a personal (angry?) opinion. I think we all agree here it's more of an econo-car and not as robust compared to the JL/JT, but the price also reflects that.
Fan boys are delusional and unable to cope with the truth when it conflicts with their emotional connection to the thing they love.Provide stats? Stats on what? Anyone who claims Fiats are reliable are smoking crack.
Not an angry rant, more comical.
In the end I don't give a F what some guys dad on an internet forum buys. I just think it is hilarious that people are recommending a Renegade then completely ignoring and even disagreeing with the FACT that it is a rebadged 500X.
It is on the SCCS platform which was designed starting in 2002 and first released with the 2005 Fiat Grande Punto. So it is riding on a 17 year old Fiat platform.
It is built in Melfi, Italy on the 500X and 500L line, because that is what it is.