Oil Analysis First Oil change at 5K miles

[Madtom]

Got my first Oil sample report back..... I'm sure the jeep wave would be ok but I like doing my own as I plan on having this truck for a few years. Monitoring the oil while in a stock state allows me to make informed decisions before I add items such as a different tune etc...... as I see what changes data wise.

PZ euro 5W-40 for the fill along with a MOPAR filter....Fuel filter will get changed next time. I plan on a 5k change schedule as this is my truck and I can love on it more than the factory recommends.

Our other jeep with the 2.0L engine gets a 4K schedule as Italians like being clean.

I think this VM Motori is in the same category. I won't really get an accurate read until like oil change #3 or 4 and then will decide if I want to change the tune etc. Been reading how the % fuel dilution in oil is affected by tunes. More to follow. Been fun so far with the torque this engine has.... definitely has some get up and go available on tap.

Been doing more highway miles last couple of tanks and the average mileage is creeping towards 24..... could also be coming out of winter fuels which would do the same thing lol.



Installed my fumoto valve when I made this oil change... so in the future oil changes will take less time and leave fewer spills in the driveway...... goes right into jugs with the oil line attachment

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[kb5zcr]

Thanks for posting, I'm coming up on 4k miles so will be doing my first change soon too.
I ordered the same oil as your using.
Where did you get your filter?

 

[Madtom]

Dealership didn't have any in stock so I ordered from Dieselfiltersonline.com . Figure I will stick with factory parts. This place has the factory parts at about 20+ dollars cheaper than the Dealer.
https://www.dieselfiltersonline.com...m-1500-jeep-wrangler-jl-with-3-0l-diesel.html

Discovered that I needed a 3/8 drive 27mm socket for the filter lid. got one for under $10 on amazon.

Put 2-3 shop towels in-between fender and the filter housing so when I lifted the old filter out the drips went there.

 

[SargeDiesel]

Dealership didn't have any in stock so I ordered from Dieselfiltersonline.com . Figure I will stick with factory parts. This place has the factory parts at about 20+ dollars cheaper than the Dealer.
https://www.dieselfiltersonline.com...m-1500-jeep-wrangler-jl-with-3-0l-diesel.html

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Discovered that I needed a 3/8 drive 27mm socket for the filter lid. got one for under $10 on amazon.

Put 2-3 shop towels in-between fender and the filter housing so when I lifted the old filter out the drips went there.

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What method are you using for getting proper filter torque ?

 

[Madtom]

What method are you using for getting proper filter torque ?

My trusty Harbor Freight Click Torque wrench and wobble extension to get around the brake lines which just happen to be in line with the filter assy. 25 nm = 18.4 foot lb = 221 inch lb

 

[starrskream]

Not trying to kick a bees nest here…
Why did you wait 5000 miles to do first oil Change?
I’ve been told 500,, 1000,3000 then a 5000 and stay about 5000 after that. (Brand new engine.) I just hit 500 a few hours ago.

 

[djthumper]

Not trying to kick a bees nest here…
Why did you wait 5000 miles to do first oil Change?
I’ve been told 500,, 1000,3000 then a 5000 and stay about 5000 after that. (Brand new engine.) I just hit 500 a few hours ago.

This is not a gas engine that we are talking about here. We don't have a break in oil change.

 

[Rusty PW]

Not trying to kick a bees nest here…
Why did you wait 5000 miles to do first oil Change?
I’ve been told 500,, 1000,3000 then a 5000 and stay about 5000 after that. (Brand new engine.) I just hit 500 a few hours ago.

I did mine at 500, 1500, 3000, then every 5,000 to 6,000.

 

[1945gpw]

Although we don’t have break in oils, it’s a good idea to do your first oil change much sooner, around that 500 to 1000 miles. I wasn't able to get around to mine until 1500 miles. As you can see there is a lot of metals and small bits of gasket maker in the filter. Next oil change should be much cleaner. I like to get all that gunk out as soon as possible.

 

[SargeDiesel]

Although we don’t have break in oils, it’s a good idea to do your first oil change much sooner, around that 500 to 1000 miles. I wasn't able to get around to mine until 1500 miles. As you can see there is a lot of metals and small bits of gasket maker in the filter. Next oil change should be much cleaner. I like to get all that gunk out as soon as possible.

With modern oil and modern manufacturing tolerances, I don't think this is as relevant today as in the past.
The filter did its job.
I did my initial oil change around 5k and will continue at those intervals.
I think the bigger issue with "breaking-in" a new motor is how it's driven in combination of using the proper oil, oil filter and proper filter torque.
*I do agree, it's probably better and atleast will give you more peace of mind, if you initially change your oil after the initial break in period.
But according to the manufacturer its not required.

 

[DylanM]

Funny, despite not needing a break in the recommendations sound quite a bit like break in guidance... and oil consumption is considered normal during the break in, which of course it doesn't need.

IMO, performing earlier and more frequent oil changes during the first 10k miles of ownership is never a bad idea. Can't say I've ever heard of an engine having problems due to early oil changes, the same can't be said for not doing them early (or often) enough.

 

[1945gpw]

With modern oil and modern manufacturing tolerances, I don't think this is as relevant today as in the past.
The filter did its job.
I did my initial oil change around 5k and will continue at those intervals.
I think the bigger issue with "breaking-in" a new motor is how it's driven in combination of using the proper oil, oil filter and proper filter torque.
*I do agree, it's probably better and atleast will give you more peace of mind, if you initially change your oil after the initial break in period.
But according to the manufacturer its not required.

We will probably never notice one way or the other to be honest. But like you said its peace of mind since I plan to keep it for many miles.

Also what the auto manufacture recommends doesn't always seem logical though. If it did then why cut the oil change interval in half. Or in a lot of modern day transmission's they say no service required. As with anything take it with a grain of salt.

 

[mrmo]

Did a 1000 mi initial, then a 5k when the dealer was doing them. Third freebe was at about 8k, and ive stuck w that interval. Modern syns can handle it.

 

[TheRealStreetcommander]

Good on you for posting your data. I’m a diesel fan. I can’t make heads or tails of the VM Motori 3.0 though.

I’ve watch the two tear-downs on the YT I Do Cars channel. Both had wiped out the mains, and then moved to the rod journal. The mains seemed to be the initial problem. I haven’t seen an engine design which wipes the mains as the primary cause of failure in 50 years.

That’s all to say that maybe there is something else at play in terms of maintaining durability on these engines.

On the most recent tear-down, the engine was mint inside. No sludge, caking, or discoloration. So OCI likely was not the culprit. Just food for thought.

 

[SargeDiesel]

In all of my purchased "NEW" vehicles, I always did an engine break-in and a series of early oil changes...
But
This being my first diesel, after much research, other than proper RPM and engine load seemed to be more important than an early oil change.

Like @1945gpw said, we probably will never know the difference... kinda like everyother oil thread...

To be honest, the main reason I went longer on my initial oil change was because I was having an internal battle whether or not to use my 3 free waves... I opted not to, decided to do it myself... hince a few miles got added before I could do it.

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