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[danielspivey]

Honestly. Manual does not mean that the temperature you pick is what comes out your vents. Manual means that it disconnects the temp from the fan and from the vent choice. Simple as that. In auto, when you change the temp, the other parts adjust accordingly to efficiently achieve that temp. In manual, when you change the temp, the system attempts to get to that temp using the manually selected fan and vent setting that you have set. Either way, both auto and manual don't take into account which direction you have your vents aimed or if you don't like hot air in your face or if you're pregnant.

Maybe instead of what ever this thread is, we should start a thread called "How to use your climate control, no its not a jeep thing".

You could make a new thread, but maybe first we should stop making assumptions of how the system actually works until we have proof from a reliable source that the system is working as designed. I’ve heard lots of assumptions and “I think” comments but nothing concrete to describe how manual mode actually works.

This is no different than people arguing that people who have steering issues are just complainers. They tell them it’s just a Jeep thing ... how it was designed.

The only concrete things I have are:
1) the detailed instructions I posted of what auto is supposed to do.
2) the guy from Service told me, that in manual mode the settings should stay where they are set.

Did I miss something else concrete? Correct me if I did.

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[sad85XD]

You could make a new thread, but maybe first we should stop making assumptions of how the system actually works until we have proof from a reliable source that the system is working as designed. I’ve heard lots of assumptions and “I think” comments but nothing concrete to describe how manual mode actually works.

This is no different than people arguing that people who have steering issues are just complainers. They tell them it’s just a Jeep thing ... how it was designed.

The only concrete things I have are:
1) the detailed instructions I posted of what auto is supposed to do.
2) the guy from Service told me, that in manual mode the settings should stay where they are set.

Did I miss something else concrete? Correct me if I did.

There is no reliable source.

The manual is constantly wrong. It even said we had switches in the bed for the bed lights.
Dealerships are notoriously under informed or downright deceitful.
Jeep Cares (the direct tie we have to Jeep) knows nothing.

And please remember that we're thinking the same thing about YOUR assumptions.

There seems to be three "arguments" going on.

1. That the HVAC system could be better (we all agree on that one)
2. That the HVAC system actual doesnt function a few of your vehicles
3. That some of those of non functioning HVAC are just user error. (possibly due to misleading nomenclature)

Unless some one's going to get thermometers out and systematically test multiple Gladiators there's not going to be "Proof."

Until then, this thread is just personal experience. And in my personal experience, that's how the "manual" works. Due do my 16,000 miles of testing.

 

[Bowerss2]

There seems to be three "arguments" going on.

1. That the HVAC system could be better (we all agree on that one)
2. That the HVAC system actual doesnt function a few of your vehicles
3. That some of those of non functioning HVAC are just user error. (possibly due to misleading nomenclature)

I also think there is a bit of this going on

I wouldn't trust anything that the dealer or service guys say. "CRATTFO" (customer reassured and told to f*** off) is a common response. They will just tell you what sounds good so you leave them alone haba

 

[futzin']

user error.

I might amend that to "user expectation", just from what I've read here. But you're absolutely right, the whole subject is muddy and largely subjective unfortunately.

 

[danielspivey]

I might amend that to "user expectation", just from what I've read here. But you're absolutely right, the whole subject is muddy and largely subjective unfortunately.

Who is wrong in a situation where no owns it? Guess no one is, which sucks!

 

[futzin']

Who is wrong in a situation where no owns it? Guess no one is, which sucks!

I agree, very frustrating I'm sure. My expectation for any vehicle (and especially one equipped with Auto Climate Control) would be for the Manual Mode of the HVAC system to let me choose the temp and volume of the air I'm getting from the vents/floor. It increasingly sounds like the system in the JT doesn't allow that.

That being said, I don't daily drive a newer vehicle. I'm either in a 2006 Suburban 2500 or a 2009 Toyota Venza. They both have auto climate control which I'm content with, and mostly use. I occasionally drive the wife's 2015 Dodge Durango, but I haven't tried Manual Mode in it. The Auto mode works well.

Concerning to me is that current JT owners seem to have issue with BOTH the Auto and the Manual workings of this system.

 

[sad85XD]

I might amend that to "user expectation", just from what I've read here. But you're absolutely right, the whole subject is muddy and largely subjective unfortunately.

True, but expecting something and still not being able to use it should have distinction. If I thought that picking a manual temp meant that the air blowing out would be that temp, then I'd say that my expectations weren't met. However, even if after that I still couldn't figure out how to use the system (though its system logic different from what I had expected,) I'd call that user error.

Who is wrong in a situation where no owns it? Guess no one is, which sucks!

what......

 

[sad85XD]

Concerning to me is that current JT owners seem to have issue with BOTH the Auto and the Manual workings of this system.

I think that's another point of hate this thread has seen. Threads like these make it seem disproportionate as to the number of owners with theses issues. Hence why the threads like "Does any one else have issue with......" sees constructive help and perspective. Where as the perceived "i WoUlD nEvEr HaD bOuGhT tHiS tRuCk HaD i KnOwN........" titles are already pre filled with sensationalism and clickbate-able notions.

 

[futzin']

I think that's another point of hate this thread has seen. Threads like these make it seem disproportionate as to the number of owners with theses issues. Hence why the threads like "Does any one else have issue with......" sees constructive help and perspective. Where as the perceived "i WoUlD nEvEr HaD bOuGhT tHiS tRuCk HaD i KnOwN........" titles are already pre filled with sensationalism and clickbate-able notions.

a good and fair point . . . frustration sometimes results in regrettable posts (not speaking for the OP here). I put up a post recently with language I regret; was frustrated at that moment.

 

[sad85XD]

a good and fair point . . . frustration sometimes results in regrettable posts (not speaking for the OP here). I put up a post recently with language I regret; was frustrated at that moment.

The fact that you understand that is why your thread probably wont hit nearly 15 pages of garbage.

 

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[sad85XD]

Careful or this will turn into a "is that racist" thread........

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Careful or this will turn into a "is that racist" thread........

I guess then my Hispanic neighbor is guilty of racism........

 

[HorneyBadger]

I dont think its a HVAC issue. I think its a temp issue. Not sure where they hide the temp sensor but I think the Auto temp is associated. For instance below 40 the seat and steering wheel heater automatically kicks on. Awesome! But later in the day it's 60 and the temp gauge still reads 39 so the heaters automatically kick on. Seems HVAC works normally unless the temp reading is askew of the actual outside temp.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I dont think its a HVAC issue. I think its a temp issue. Not sure where they hide the temp sensor but I think the Auto temp is associated. For instance below 40 the seat and steering wheel heater automatically kicks on. Awesome! But later in the day it's 60 and the temp gauge still reads 39 so the heaters automatically kick on. Seems HVAC works normally unless the temp reading is askew of the actual outside temp.

Mine don't - only very rarely does the temp read warmer than it actually is.

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