Safety Packages?

[FoxForce4]

A person determined to drive like a moron will find a way to wreck you both no matter how careful you are.

The ACC discussion fascinates me. I’ve driven my entire life in NJ, including over a decade twice a day on RT 78 into NYC. I’ll put that drive against any in America in terms of needing to have your head on a swivel.

Never would I ever consider giving steering or throttle/ brakes to the vehicle. Stability control? Yes. ABS? Yes. All things that could be considered the car “taking over”. There are some things that machines can do more efficiently than men. Making judgment calls is not one of them.

Seen many, many wrecks and sat in the delays they created. Some were horrific. Most clearly were caused either by someone following too closely or not paying attention.

Maybe some were counting on tech to bail them out. That is not the technology’s fault.

I would regularly see colleagues on the road making the same ride, and of course they’d see me, and I got more than a few teascomments about my demeanor driving- 10 & 2, eyes forward, a look of concentration on my face.

Well no shit. If you want to get home to your family without hurting someone, including yourself, sounds like a reasonable posture to take.

I’m not aware of any technology that solves for laziness, carelessness or stupidity. All three on display daily on a road near you.

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[CivilJeep]

TPMS would’ve saved lives had it been mandatory sooner, and saves lives now.
ESS saves fuel and reduces CO emissions (and yes, I use it.)
PMS?
Is that why you’re being a jerk?

Kevin

I've got no problem with someone buying and using whatever technology they feel is useful. Pushing it on others, especially when unwilling to pay for it themselves, is what I find egregious.

 

[Kevin_D]

I've got no problem with someone buying and using whatever technology they feel is useful. Pushing it on others, especially when unwilling to pay for it themselves, is what I find egregious.

If the safety package had been in a Sport S or an Overland, I’d’ve bought it.

Funny word, egregious.
It can mean outstandingly bad or remarkably good.

 

[Surffisher2a]

Well I'm placing my order today...without the safety packages. Cost was a bit of a concern, but not the primary driver. I test drove one yesterday and didn't like the way the ACC worked because when it came up on another car I found that I was stuck behind them while other traffic went around. Of course I could have been more attentive to that risk and made the decision to change lanes earlier, but my normal driving style in the city (and typical city traffic) doesn't really fit with that approach. Maybe the distance/sensitivity is adjustable, but it just seemed too intrusive.

That is exactly why I didn't want the adaptive cruise control for my jeep. I had it on my Toyota Rav4 and HATED it. If you weren't paying attention you were going 55mph behind some truck on the interstate with a 75Mph speed limit.

 

[Gulf_coasterHTX]

I find myself a lot less stressed and drive much less aggressively when I have ACC turned on, and considering that all the aggressive driving I used to do probably didn’t increase quality of life (even if driving around all those ‘slow’ drivers did save a few seconds, it’s not like it really matters) I think it’s a good thing.

I would be much happier knowing that the a-hole riding my bumper and staring at his phone had automatic stopping, so I totally agree it should be a requirement. Yes, the number of irresponsible drivers out there ruins it for other, as usual

Also the reason cars are expensive is by far not because of the safety requirements on car manufacturers... plenty of cheap cars that have that stuff standard (anyone here just pay $1000 for a bed rail system?)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That is exactly why I didn't want the adaptive cruise control for my jeep. I had it on my Toyota Rav4 and HATED it. If you weren't paying attention you were going 55mph behind some truck on the interstate with a 75Mph speed limit.

Or if you weren't paying attention you were running into the back of said truck. Uh, why not pull out and around? ACC prevents that? What would you have done normally that ACC would prevent?
You can even still hit the gas and zip around cars with it engaged.
Just curious because that just doesn't seem to fit somehow.
When you pull out to pass said truck - you know the ACC will accelerate -FAST - to allow you to not just "pass" but actually zip around. It's amazing once you get into the other lane these things pick up speed quickly.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I find myself a lot less stressed and drive much less aggressively when I have ACC turned on, and considering that all the aggressive driving I used to do probably didn’t increase quality of life (even if driving around all those ‘slow’ drivers did save a few seconds, it’s not like it really matters) I think it’s a good thing.

I would be much happier knowing that the a-hole riding my bumper and staring at his phone had automatic stopping, so I totally agree it should be a requirement. Yes, the number of irresponsible drivers out there ruins it for other, as usual

Also the reason cars are expensive is by far not because of the safety requirements on car manufacturers... plenty of cheap cars that have that stuff standard (anyone here just pay $1000 for a bed rail system?)

Hell, that stuff is STANDARD on the much much cheaper Grand Cherokee!

 

[Surffisher2a]

Or if you weren't paying attention you were running into the back of said truck. Uh, why not pull out and around? ACC prevents that? What would you have done normally that ACC would prevent?
You can even still hit the gas and zip around cars with it engaged.
Just curious because that just doesn't seem to fit somehow.
When you pull out to pass said truck - you know the ACC will accelerate -FAST - to allow you to not just "pass" but actually zip around. It's amazing once you get into the other lane these things pick up speed quickly.

A little self righteous are we? Of course I am paying enough attention to not run into the back of a truck, I am not an idiot as you imply. However its very easy to not notice that your cruise control slowed you down a lot match the speed of that truck. Both my wife and I didn't like the adaptive cruise control so we opted not to get it on our jeeps. Was just sharing my thoughts on the open forum for people who are looking for others opinions.

 

[Gvsukids]

If the safety package had been in a Sport S or an Overland, I’d’ve bought it. But my dealer couldn’t find such a beast in a color I wanted, so I would’ve had to custom order from the plant, which wasn’t an option.
And I’d like to see it as a US DOT requirement on ALL NEW CARS, as it would save money and lives.
My opinion: you don’t have to agree with it.

Kevin

Why not custom order? It was great to have everything we wanted in the truck.

Also the reason cars are expensive is by far not because of the safety requirements on car manufacturers... plenty of cheap cars that have that stuff standard (anyone here just pay $1000 for a bed rail system?)

I did, but it also came with a bed outlet.

 

[j.o.y.ride]

I avoided all of them

 

[ShadowsPapa]

A little self righteous are we? Of course I am paying enough attention to not run into the back of a truck, I am not an idiot as you imply. However its very easy to not notice that your cruise control slowed you down a lot match the speed of that truck. Both my wife and I didn't like the adaptive cruise control so we opted not to get it on our jeeps. Was just sharing my thoughts on the open forum for people who are looking for others opinions.

Sorry, not implying a thing - just seemed a bit confusing that ACC would be different than the other in that respect. No offense was intended, thought I was being careful!

>>However its very easy to not notice that your cruise control slowed you down a lot match the speed of that truck.<<

That I can see on a long, monotonous trip.

 

[Kevin_D]

Why not custom order? It was great to have everything we wanted in the truck.

The dealer wanted to ding me several thousand dollars on my trade if I waited for a custom order.
And they made me a really good deal on an in-stock ‘21.

 

[DreamedofaJeepSomeday]

I’ve driven my entire life in NJ, including over a decade twice a day on RT 78 into NYC. I’ll put that drive against any in America in terms of needing to have your head on a swivel.

I feel for you. Down here, we have a saying, when you see an a**hole driver, you expect to see a NJ tag. Kidding, but only partially.

 

[sfurash]

Personally when I order my Gladiator I don't want any of the nanny stuff.
It's one more thing to break and I don't use it anyway.
I'm old school I've cruise control on my cars going back who knows how long and I never use it, I'll drive my own car.
Our current JK has crank windows.
I've put together the Mojave I'm going to get and the only safety item if you will is the led light package plus whatever it comes with standard.
Only reason for the led light package is it will save me the time I would spend doing it my self.
I did it on our JK and just the front three light sets were approximately $900.00 so for me it's worth it to let Jeep do it at the factory.
The problem with the adaptive cruise control and safety package is if you get a crack in the windshield it's real expensive to replace and if you smash a tail light it's I believe almost $900.00 for the safety one verses $500.00 for the non safety one.

 

[jeeplanta]

We have adaptive cruise, lane keep assist, blind spot monitoring, and rear cross traffic notification on our VW GTI and Toyota Highlander. We’ll likely never buy another vehicle without these features.

Are you planning on taking long drives in any of your travels? I imagine we’ve all experienced fatigue from a long day on the road. All of these features help to decrease that fatigue. Also, think of any of the following real world situations:

• Snacking during a road trip and you’re trying to unwrap your food
• Kids in the car are complaining about something
• You’re deep in conversation with a passenger
• You’re on a phone call (even using hands free)
• You see something interesting in the scenery you’re passing through and take a second to look
• An accident has occurred on the other side of the road and you can’t help to take a look at it
• You’re backing out of your driveway or a parking spot and the mailbox/vehicle next to you is blocking your view and you can’t see the car coming down the roads
• It’s late at night and you’re tired after a long say and just want to get home
• You point your side view mirrors directly back so you get a view of the rear of your own car

Even the best drivers among us are likely encountering one or more of the above situations or someone on the road around us is. In every single one of those situations, one of the above mentioned electric safety aids would be beneficial and I’ve seen them all in action. The life of my wife and kid is worth more than $1.5k to get the safety tools. If you own it for five years or more, it’s less than a dollar per day.

My $0.02.

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