Silly security/anti theft question Re: Manual + soft top

[Infallible pw]

Being unfamiliar with new gen Jeeps what security mechanisms are in place to prevent quickly ripping/destroying the top and a second person helping to push start the manual? Is there any preventative mechanisms linked to proximity key, etc? I'm assuming there are multiple things given how some people remove doors or have half doors etc; I am just curious about the details and how effective the strategies are and whether this concern warrants the hard top. Thanks in advance.

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[bangolia]

Being unfamiliar with new gen Jeeps what security mechanisms are in place to prevent quickly ripping/destroying the top and a second person helping to push start the manual? Is there any preventative mechanisms linked to proximity key, etc? I'm assuming there are multiple things given how some people remove doors or have half doors etc; I am just curious about the details and how effective the strategies are and whether this concern warrants the hard top. Thanks in advance.

Can you push start a manual with push start? #askingforafriend

 

[steffen707]

Being unfamiliar with new gen Jeeps what security mechanisms are in place to prevent quickly ripping/destroying the top and a second person helping to push start the manual? Is there any preventative mechanisms linked to proximity key, etc? I'm assuming there are multiple things given how some people remove doors or have half doors etc; I am just curious about the details and how effective the strategies are and whether this concern warrants the hard top. Thanks in advance.

A couple things come to mind. Even with my dad's 77 Triumph Spitfire, the key has to be in the ignition to supply electricity to the spark plugs, then there is the steering wheel lock.

Now with proximity sensors for push button key start I bet you would have to trick that to allow you to turn the wheel or press the ON button. So if a thief were to bypass the proximity sensor, they could probably just start the car with their finger, instead of push starting it.

 

[bruno747]

Can you push start a manual with push start? #askingforafriend

If you have enough juice to run fuel pump and light off the computer but not crank yes. You can put most push buttons in "run" by pressing the start button while foot is off the brakes.

Then one can push start. But I don't think you could do a true dead battery push start cause there isn't any real key to turn to run and you need at least a little power to do the equivalent on push starts.

As for security still need the key or a repeater for the signal.

Lookup the push start cars being stolen by repeating the key fob signal seen inside the owners house. If your in the mall it's unlikely. At home certainly the tech exists to easily steal it.

Once it's started most can be driven until shut off meaning they can get it to their chop shop all without a key.

 

[homerun]

Even when pop starting you need the key in the run position, not the start but run. I assume the push button start works similar where the key is needed to cycle between accessory, run, and start.

 

[JTRUBI]

In regards to my JK I would leave it everywhere with the doors and top off and I never had issues with someone trying to steal it. Honestly I think it’s because people can’t drive standard.

In regards to the top, I had someone unzip my rear window and steal some stuff, but they couldn’t get into the jeep because of the design of the top. The new top I’m assuming you could slash the roof and get in but I’m sure it won’t be easy.

As for push starting it, I’m sure you could be able too as long as your key is still close by, but if I recall Chrysler cars with push button starters kill the engine if you get out of range from the remote.

Being unfamiliar with new gen Jeeps what security mechanisms are in place to prevent quickly ripping/destroying the top and a second person helping to push start the manual? Is there any preventative mechanisms linked to proximity key, etc? I'm assuming there are multiple things given how some people remove doors or have half doors etc; I am just curious about the details and how effective the strategies are and whether this concern warrants the hard top. Thanks in advance.

 

[jeepguy225]

My '04 TJ had a safety feature in the factory key, just like aftermarket car alarms. It immobilizes the ignition switch. Keyless fobs have to be very close to the receiver or the ignition will not be allowed to start. I never locked the doors when the soft top was on to avoid the windows from being cut. When the top was off, but the doors on, I would lock the doors.

I would be more concerned with the doors being stolen or the soft top being cut so your personal belongings could be grabbed. Stealing a newer vehicle requires a tech savvy thief or a guy with a tow truck.
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/study-finds-24-car-models-open-unlocking-ignition-hack/

 

[NYR_4_LIFE]

The push start ignition is not available on the manual correct

 

[homerun]

The push start ignition is not available on the manual correct

Incorrect, remote start is not available on a m/t.

 

[jeepguy225]

Incorrect, remote start is not available on a m/t.

You could add remote start to a M/T on your own. Just don't forget to leave your jeep in neutral. Usually your engine will not start if the clutch is not pushed in, but a quick fix will override that safety feature.

 

[DMoney]

Being unfamiliar with new gen Jeeps what security mechanisms are in place to prevent quickly ripping/destroying the top and a second person helping to push start the manual? Is there any preventative mechanisms linked to proximity key, etc? I'm assuming there are multiple things given how some people remove doors or have half doors etc; I am just curious about the details and how effective the strategies are and whether this concern warrants the hard top. Thanks in advance.

If you get a manual then chances are you will be fine. If you are very worried about theft then there are options such as kill switches (https://www.popularmechanics.com/ca...r-thieves-with-a-hidden-kill-switch-15699546/)

 

[homerun]

You could add remote start to a M/T on your own. Just don't forget to leave your jeep in neutral. Usually your engine will not start if the clutch is not pushed in, but a quick fix will override that safety feature.

All true but I interpreted the question to me OEM. Also I think there might be confusion on here about a push button vs pushing a Jeep down hill and popping the clutch. Hard to tell if everyone here is talking about the same thing.

 

[jeepguy225]

All true but I interpreted the question to me OEM. Also I think there might be confusion on here about a push button vs pushing a Jeep down hill and popping the clutch. Hard to tell if everyone here is talking about the same thing.

I figured you were talking OEM, I was just adding a bit of plywood to the thread. Push button, keyed, and pop starting it on a hill still will not work if the spark plugs won't spark thanks to smart key/key fobs not providing the OK to the vehicle's ECU. Obviously, with enough time and no one around to stop a thief, any vehicle can be stolen.

 

[kayakmike]

As for push starting it, I’m sure you could be able too as long as your key is still close by, but if I recall Chrysler cars with push button starters kill the engine if you get out of range from the remote.

Look at ~12:30 in the video. Once the JL is started, he throws the key out the window and drives miles away. There is no engine kill if the key isn't near the vehicle. I've seen the same in my GC.

 

[Jeepers!]

Look at ~12:30 in the video. Once the JL is started, he throws the key out the window and drives miles away. There is no engine kill if the key isn't near the vehicle. I've seen the same in my GC.

It's too dangerous. You don't want an engine turning off while you're driving on the highway.

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