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this area is my area of concern, those fins look like cooling fins, so how hot do they get, can they damage the wire above?

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The one thing I noticed is that my 23 and 24 have a smoother transition into the curve of the wiring compared to your photo and one other photo a member posted? Maybe it means nothing but I will mention it for discussion.
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Yeah this is where I think day to day installs come in to the picture. Yours is what I just did to mine
 

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this area is my area of concern, those fins look like cooling fins, so how hot do they get, can they damage the wire above?

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Sipped some iced tea and was looking at that so I had some DEI heat shield stashed and cut a section. No way it slide over connectors so this will work
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i did a quick look at my EcoD pump, and it looks like the only thing separating the pump and the wheel is the finder liner, with about a 3" gap that exposes the mounting bolts for the pump, I would assume that gap will give the pump a little breathing room. I would like to take my IR gun and zap the pump after doing a little driving to see how hot the motor casing gets.
Yeah it’s a small area below liner. The draft tube sits directly over along with lower section of intake box. About its only way of shedding heat is off sides. Personally I don’t think there is much to see here. There’s cats going to Moab, playing in mud with this stuff, if anything was going to overheat and spontaneously combust we’d all hear about it.
 

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Holy crap, I used to park my Jeep in the garage a lot
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I now no longer have the Jeep, but this with the manuals starting on fire
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I’ll volunteer to keep the Bette in my garage for you! No charge! I’ll even run it around a couple times a month to keep it going! Beautiful car! My favorite color for that era!
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Holy crap, I used to park my Jeep in the garage a lot
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I now no longer have the Jeep, but this with the manuals starting on fire
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Hopefully you’re new one doesn’t go up, that damn thing will be an inferno!
 

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Sipped some iced tea and was looking at that so I had some DEI heat shield stashed and cut a section. No way it slide over connectors so this will work
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Seems unnecessary? One report of a fire the truck was only driven for 10 minutes. There’s no way that got that hot in ten minutes to catch wires on fire. Doesn’t seem right.
 

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Seems unnecessary? One report of a fire the truck was only driven for 10 minutes. There’s no way that got that hot in ten minutes to catch wires on fire. Doesn’t seem right.
All of it was unnecessary, but was in it that far so might as well.
 

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Could it possibly be similar to the issues Ford had with their brake master cylinders back in the 80’s and later? There was a seal where the plug connected, that would fail. The brake fluid would short the connector out, causing a fire. I lost a ‘90 Bronco because of the issue, that had been recalled but never fixed. (Bought it used at almost 20 years old). I found that out after the fact. Unfortunately, mine burned up around 2010, so I was out of luck. Pic included. Had it about 10 hours. It had never been farther than 5 miles from the original owners home its whole life. I put 100 or so miles on it the day I bought it. I guess it never got hot enough to ignite it until I got it.
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I remember it in 2002. A switch in the mastercylinder failed and started a fire. A fuseable link was installed and not the faulty switch.
 

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So one probable pump unit issue, a few possible fuel related or rear engine something or other and a few in the PDC area. One listed a few additions and modifications so that dudes out, for all we know he learned wiring off Tik Tok so might have burnt his own shit down, assuming he added electrical but most mods do at some point. I’m struggling to find a common denominator. Random fire locations, random operating conditions, and random mileages.
 

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I was just about to install my Apex steering booster kit. 😡 I guess I have to wait until this is resolved. In other words, the lawsuits start rolling in, NHTSA mandates a recall, Stellantis and the supplier of the pumps agree on who’s culpable, i.e., who’s paying for it, they drag their feet engineering a solution, they start slow rolling parts to dealerships and I navigate the dealership morons who won’t answer the phones or return calls, can’t order parts and can’t install shit.

So in about 3 years I can install my boost kit. And don’t anyone say anything about this being a safety issue and it therefore resulting in an expedited solution. The 3.0 fuel pump boondoggle was also a NHTSA mandated safety recall and took years while we all wondered if our trucks would suddenly die at 75 MPH.

The other thing is that this doesn’t make a lot of sense. These fires occur after the Jeep has been sitting, so after it has cooled down. Even if the electrical connector is failing do to some magical delayed problem, why is the power steering systems wiring live at all? And if the melting/failing connector is to blame we should be seeing a healthy percentage of these fires occurring while the Jeep is being driven. Why is this primarily or only happening to vehicles that have been sitting, shouldn’t have power going to the pump at all and have cooled down?
 
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I was just about to install my Apex steering booster kit. 😡 I guess I have to wait until this is resolved. In other words, the lawsuits start rolling in, NHTSA mandates a recall, Stellantis and the supplier of the pumps agree on who’s culpable, i.e., who’s paying for it, they drag their feet engineering a solution, they start slow rolling parts to dealerships and I navigate the dealership morons who won’t answer the phones or return calls, can’t order parts and can’t install shit.

So in about 3 years I can install my boost kit. And don’t anyone say anything about this being a safety issue and it therefore resulting in an expedited solution. The 3.0 fuel pump boondoggle was also a NHTSA mandated safety recall and took years while we all wondered if our trucks would suddenly die at 75 MPH.

The other thing is that this doesn’t make a lot of sense. These fires occur after the Jeep has been sitting, so after it has cooled down. Even if the electrical connector is failing do to some magical delayed problem, why is the power steering systems wiring live at all? And if the melting/failing connector is to blame we should be seeing a healthy percentage of these fires occurring while the Jeep is being driven. Why is this primarily or only happening to vehicles that have been sitting, shouldn’t have power going to the pump at all and have cooled down?
The big wire is the live wire and it's live cause it's carrying 150 amps. To introduce a relay that can active inactive 150amps constantly I suspect costs lots of money.

The design philosophy is really no different then your main starter wire design, that is also live and carrying a ton of amps.
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