WARNING! Gen 3. Oil change not possible.

[AXISJT]

just got mine changed at my dealer sat with no issues they never mentioned anything either

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[ShadowsPapa]

just got mine changed at my dealer sat with no issues they never mentioned anything either

It appears to be regional, even when I look at the Ford and Chevy guys complaining of "I can't find". From what I see, the southern U.S. - at least some of it - isn't seeing an issue, but then maybe it's because of all the DIYers down there? ;-)

 

[WILDHOBO]

Wellll.......... sort of.............
It still involves crude oil base stock.
This is from AMSOIL -
Synthetic base oils are made from crude. But they’re much more highly refined than conventional base oils. Synthetics are a little more varied than petroleum base stocks and are split between Group III hydro-cracked petroleum (addressed in the Summer ‘08 issue), PAO’s and Esters. Today, most synthetics for motor oils are made using Group III base stocks. Mobil and Amsoil continue to use Group IV PAOs.

And from another source:

Synthetic oils are typically created from chemically modified materials such as petroleum components, but the base material is almost always distilled crude oil.

And another:
Both synthetic oil and traditional motor oil are made from refining oil. Most synthetics begin with highly refined crude oil, pumped from deep underground.

So as crude goes up - so does synthetic. Plus - you generally won't see it being cheaper because it's more complex to make and the crude base adds to price.
All this means - as goes crude so goes synthetic.
Natural gas also seems to follow, and LP price follow crude very closely. I'm thankful I'm no longer needing to spend days drying corn with a gas-fired dryer system, YIKES.

I never thought it would ever be cheaper, but the rest was my misconception. Thanks for the correction.

 

[skerb]

So Wednesday I called the dealer to confirm that they had the oil meeting the MS 12991 spec and they confirmed they had filter and oil. I dropped it off yesterday morning and when i picked it up, the receipt shows that they used T6... Time to call them back.

 

[Jeep-A-Kneez]

Panic buying/hording, some might see it that way and base their assumptions accordingly. However, with a long background in industrial maintenance and farming, I view it as being prepared.

 

[skerb]

Called the parts department and gave them my VIN saying i wanted to buy oil and filter for my truck that was called for in the owners manual. They gave me the correct mopar numbers for the oil and filter. I asked if i could run any other oils in the truck. She said with the truck being a new diesel I MUST use the mopar oil thats recommended in the manual that meets all of the specs. I asked about part store oil that meets the spec and she said i should be using the correct MOPAR OIL 68231020AA or 68231021AA. I said, ok thank you very much for your help.... I brought my truck in yesterday to your dealership for my first oil change and they did not use that oil, what do I do now? She litterally muttered "OH $H1T"...Let me call you back.

They called back and said bring it in and we will drain and refill that there is a new mopar part nubmer and spec that they weren't aware of.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Called the parts department and gave them my VIN saying i wanted to buy oil and filter for my truck that was called for in the owners manual. They gave me the correct mopar numbers for the oil and filter. I asked if i could run any other oils in the truck. She said with the truck being a new diesel I MUST use the mopar oil thats recommended in the manual that meets all of the specs. I asked about part store oil that meets the spec and she said i should be using the correct MOPAR OIL 68231020AA or 68231021AA. I said, ok thank you very much for your help.... I brought my truck in yesterday to your dealership for my first oil change and they did not use that oil, what do I do now? She litterally muttered "OH $H1T"...Let me call you back.

They called back and said bring it in and we will drain and refill that there is a new mopar part nubmer and spec that they weren't aware of.

I go back to my original reply. Install a pan valve, buy oem spec oil, and do your own changes. Then document and save receipts. Dealers and other servicers can’t be trusted to do the right thing without being watched. Too much energy spent complaining about it. My take.

 

[sharpsicle]

So Wednesday I called the dealer to confirm that they had the oil meeting the MS 12991 spec and they confirmed they had filter and oil. I dropped it off yesterday morning and when i picked it up, the receipt shows that they used T6... Time to call them back.

Am I missing it? I don't see T6 on here. I do, however, see the Mopar oil SKU of 68001332PC.
https://www.mymoparparts.com/oem-parts/mopar-5w40-engine-oil-68001332pc

EDIT: I see it now. It's Mopar's part number, but has different specs than you need. My bad.

 

[skerb]

I go back to my original reply. Install a pan valve, buy oem spec oil, and do your own changes. Then document and save receipts. Dealers and other servicers can’t be trusted to do the right thing without being watched. Too much energy spent complaining about it. My take.

I have always done my own oil changes, this is the first time i have ever had anyone else change it. The jeep came with 3 free oil changes, so i wanted to try it out until amsoil comes out with an oil with the MS 12991 spec.

The mopar number listed on my receipt is the mopar number for shell rotella T6

 

[WILDHOBO]

I have always done my own oil changes, this is the first time i have ever had anyone else change it. The jeep came with 3 free oil changes, so i wanted to try it out until amsoil comes out with an oil with the MS 12991 spec.

The mopar number listed on my receipt is the mopar number for shell rotella T6

I’m with you. I always used to, and had a brief period where I decided my time was worth more doing something else. Then I went back after dealers and servicers disappointed me several times.

 

[skerb]

It does look like Amsoil has an updated label for this oil coming:

Full-SAPS Formula for European gasoline or diesel engines requiring VW 502.00, 505.00, BMW LL-01, Mercedes 229.3, 299.5, FCA MS-12991 & more. This product has a zinc content of 1100 ppm.
Classic ESP Synthetic 5W-40 package sizes include:
1- Quart Bottles (or buy case of 12)
1-US Gallon (or buy case of 4)
30- US Gallon Drum
55- USGallon Drum
Buy at wholesale in Canada or the United States. Request a price list using the contact form on this page.

Q&A article on Full-SAPS Euro 5W-40
Applications For European Formula FS 5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil
AMSOIL European Formula FS 5W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil is formulated to meet or exceed the following European gasoline or diesel performance specifications:

• Volkswagen 502.00, 505.00
• BMW LL-01
• Mercedes-Benz 229.5
• Porsche A40
• ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
• Chrysler/FCA MS-12991 (product label addition pending)
• Renault 0710, 0700
• GM LL-B-025
• API SN/SM

 

[Glad_he_ate]

I would imagine your t6 will add the label change as well in time. As will most other diesel oil producers. I doubt there is truly any major difference in formulation.

 

[Dougstdig]

Synthetic oil is largely produced using natural gas.

 

[Dougstdig]

I have always done my own oil changes, this is the first time i have ever had anyone else change it. The jeep came with 3 free oil changes, so i wanted to try it out until amsoil comes out with an oil with the MS 12991 spec.

The mopar number listed on my receipt is the mopar number for shell rotella T6

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Pennzoil is - but not others.
Other synthetics are still mostly based on extremely refined, or highly refined is a better word, crude base. Shell holds a ton of patents on it so don't look for others to go that direction for a while. Shell makes the Pennzoil brand made from natural gas.

From an oil blog -
Full synthetic, or 100 percent synthetic oils, are usually extracted from crude oil or a byproduct of the same. In the case of Pennzoil, they have figured out how extract synthetic oil from natural gas.

Here's another take on it (since the highly refined crude base synthetics are made from are actually pretty much "built" or synthesized from the ground up anyway) ->

It’s worth noting, however, that many GTL catalysts and processes generate highly paraffinic (waxy) base oils with undesirable characteristics. In fact, residual byproducts of the Fischer-Tropsch/GTL process (the natural gas process) can significantly affect the oil’s pour point and volatility.

Pour point refers to the lowest temperature at which the oil remains fluid. Waxes solidify in the cold, causing the oil to thicken and possibly fail to protect the engine during cold starts, leading to wear.

Volatility refers to the oil’s tendency to evaporate at high temperatures. The more volatile an oil, the more likely it creates harmful engine deposits and contributes to oil consumption, meaning you have to top-off the engine more frequently. (275 degrees for this Pennzoil)

As the results of oil-volatility testing show, Pennzoil Platinum outperformed other conventional and synthetic oils, but it didn’t outperform AMSOIL Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil. This goes to show that oil made from natural gas isn’t naturally better than other oils. The oil’s entire formulation must be considered, including additive quality and the overall

Some of the most important parts of oil are the additive packages.

This type of Pennzoil made from natural gas is great - but in one series of tests came out at 16.

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