Water in Transmission from 4WD'ing, is this covered under manufacturer Car Warranty?

[Stan H]

There's no way this is a real post.

He will never tell ?

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[Stan H]

Dude, just a tip, that profile picture isn't making your case any better. Jeep cares see that and the NOPE stamp comes out.

Bingo max 30 inches ? Correct ? I seem to recall 30" ... but that is at a crawl "fording" is slow.

 

[Stan H]

Yeah I went and looked, octane might be small issue but the real culprit is dirt and moisture. I would LOVE to see that air filter box prior to cam replacement. It will either confirm or squash a theory of mine.

 

[BearFootSam]

Insurance on my Daughter's Kia 3000 every 6months. My Gladiator 1972.00 every 6months ?.
I dont like insurance companies either it is like Doctors and Hospitals a money Racket .

How? I pay $462.99 every six months for above standard coverages and un/under insured motorists, a reasonable deductible and a +20% replacement value supplement.

 

[adamjedgar]

To begin with...I am not trying to worm my way out of a 4wding event that has damaged the transmission. Mechanics are not so stupid they cannot see from underneath whilst a car is on the hoist whether or not it has been in deep muddy water. I purchased this car for work and to do some medium to hard 4wding (we all know that due to long wheel base on Gladiators, extreme 4wding is beyond its capability without 37" tyres and a 4" lift).

The engine pinging noise has nothing to do with water...the engine has never had water in it even before the snorkel was installed. The engine works to try to resolve pinging clearly showed excessive carbon build up on the cylinder heads...Jeep believe it was the PCV valve that failed causing this problem.

Clearly a few things need clarifying here...

1. this is video of the exact mud hole i went into prior to the transmission error code appearing 30 mins later when we were driving home after winching out.


2. This jeep has 33" tyres and a 2" lift (so its 3 inches higher than standard.
I am not arguing 31.5 fiording statement by jeep...that is with a standard car. The 33's and 2" lift were done by dealership prior to my purchasing the car...it was already done and on the showroom floor as is. All i did was put on snorkel.

3. The car has a snorkel

4. The profile picture mudhole was taken before the transmission was replaced under warranty 4 months ago

5. The importance of the google review is that is shows engine oil leak and driveshaft leaks just after this transmission was replaced! It is very clear that an engine sump plug should not be leaking oil immediately after coming out of a Jeep workshop where they pulled the top end of the engine!

6. The pinging noise in the engine started immediately after the first 12000km service (it was the next morning). It took Jeep 8 months to decide to fix it...in the meantime i drove 28,000kms in that time because this vehicle is used for work and i do a lot of miles/km

7. The pinging noise has since started again

8. Immediately after this transmission was installed (on my way home from dealership), i noticed a whining noise coming from underneath where driver sits. I rang the dealership and complained about it. Ive had two dealerships look at the car but they both claim they cant hear any noise (but the whine is only audible at about 90km/hr and neither of the dealerships have driven it at that speed to check...only in 60km/hr speed limit areas around their dealerships. )

9. And this is the most important...can anyone explain how a breather hose which has a one way valve and is located up on top of the engine comes off the top of a transmission in the first place given its a new transmission?

Also, have any of the naysayers actually seen how this breather hose is connected to the transmission? Its a push on plug (like a small spark plug connector). You can pull it off with two fingers whilst under the car.

Im going to argue that the breather hose is not adquitely connected to the transmission...it should have a hose clamp not a push on cap!

At the end of this post is a picture of what the transmission breather connector cap looks like. Some of you will argue thats a spark plug cap...google jeep transmission breather connector and you will eventually find this image...its exactly what the cap on my jeep transmission looks like.

Ive watched a few videos on preparing jeeps for deep water, ive not yet seen one that says anything about changing the transmission breather hose (because the top of it is already up in the engine bay on above the engine)...so i wasnt expecting this to be an issue.

 

[Stan H]

How? I pay $462.99 every six months for above standard coverages and un/under insured motorists, a reasonable deductible and a +20% replacement value supplement.

It's called the royal rip off . In WV we are forced to pay for underinsured motorist and insurance companies have long penalized us for having Deer in our state. Everything a person does goes against you. I was parked in a hotel room in WV and a bad hail storm hit. Done 1760.00 dollars worth of damge to a truck I had . And guess what it was held against Me. They said you turned it in so it goes against your insurance showing a payout claim. Every time we turn around they are raising and raising and raising it.

 

[Stan H]

To begin with...I am not trying to worm my way out of a 4wding event that has damaged the transmission. Mechanics are not so stupid they cannot see from underneath whilst a car is on the hoist whether or not it has been in deep muddy water. I purchased this car for work and to do some medium to hard 4wding (we all know that due to long wheel base on Gladiators, extreme 4wding is beyond its capability without 37" tyres and a 4" lift).

The engine pinging noise has nothing to do with water...the engine has never had water in it even before the snorkel was installed. The engine works to try to resolve pinging clearly showed excessive carbon build up on the cylinder heads...Jeep believe it was the PCV valve that failed causing this problem.

Clearly a few things need clarifying here...

1. this is video of the exact mud hole i went into prior to the transmission error code appearing 30 mins later when we were driving home after winching out.


2. This jeep has 33" tyres and a 2" lift (so its 3 inches higher than standard.
I am not arguing 31.5 fiording statement by jeep...that is with a standard car. The 33's and 2" lift were done by dealership prior to my purchasing the car...it was already done and on the showroom floor as is. All i did was put on snorkel.

3. The car has a snorkel

4. The profile picture mudhole was taken before the transmission was replaced under warranty 4 months ago

5. The importance of the google review is that is shows engine oil leak and driveshaft leaks just after this transmission was replaced! It is very clear that an engine sump plug should not be leaking oil immediately after coming out of a Jeep workshop where they pulled the top end of the engine!

6. The pinging noise in the engine started immediately after the first 12000km service (it was the next morning). It took Jeep 8 months to decide to fix it...in the meantime i drove 28,000kms in that time because this vehicle is used for work and i do a lot of miles/km

7. The pinging noise has since started again

8. Immediately after this transmission was installed (on my way home from dealership), i noticed a whining noise coming from underneath where driver sits. I rang the dealership and complained about it. Ive had two dealerships look at the car but they both claim they cant hear any noise (but the whine is only audible at about 90km/hr and neither of the dealerships have driven it at that speed to check...only in 60km/hr speed limit areas around their dealerships. )

9. And this is the most important...can anyone explain how a breather hose which has a one way valve and is located up on top of the engine comes off the top of a transmission in the first place given its a new transmission?

Also, have any of the naysayers actually seen how this breather hose is connected to the transmission? Its a push on plug (like a small spark plug connector). You can pull it off with two fingers whilst under the car.

Im going to argue that the breather hose is not adquitely connected to the transmission...it should have a hose clamp not a push on cap!

At the end of this post is a picture of what the transmission breather connector cap looks like. Some of you will argue thats a spark plug cap...google jeep transmission breather connector and you will eventually find this image...its exactly what the cap on my jeep transmission looks like.

Ive watched a few videos on preparing jeeps for deep water, ive not yet seen one that says anything about changing the transmission breather hose (because the top of it is already up in the engine bay on above the engine)...so i wasnt expecting this to be an issue.

Yep spark plug wire for sure ..hmm weird

 

[adamjedgar]

Could i also just set another thing about water depth straight as some on this forum are clearly unaware of the fiording depth...

Jeep state 31.5 inches for standard Rubicon.

I have 3 inches of lift (1 inch on tyres and 2 inch suspension)

The max fiording depth for my vehicle is 31.5 inches + 3 inches = 34.5 inches.

To give some idea of exactly how deep that is...if you go into your kitchen and stand next to a kitchen benchtop, that benchtop is between 34 & 36inches high! (ours in Australia are about 34" to the underside of the benchtop)

So in the video, the mudhole im winching through is about top of tyres at front (bow wave) and a little less at the rear. The jeep logo on RHS would be about 34 inches depth i think. Given the car is leaning to the left, it would be in water about 34-35 inches deep. However, none of this changes the fact that the breather hose is not fastened tightly onto the top of the transmission...its just a push on cap.

It may be that i have to pay for this, however, at least by my putting this on the forum, other jeep owners who fiord deep water will immediately throw out this ridiculous connector and put something decent onto top of transmission and not suffer the same fate as i have because of poor design.

 

[Hootbro]

I want to see one of the bullies on here change their ZF fluid to the proper level without using a scan tool..LOL! You can use the display I understand but its not the correct or precise way.

I have no clue why you are stuck on this and any data provided to the contrary is dismissed by you?

The PDF I previously replied and provided to you is directly from the dealership MOPAR Tech Authority website portal the dealership techs use. It explicitly states you can use either a scan tool or the EVIC.

I guess facts are bullying nowadays?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

2. This jeep has 33" tyres and a 2" lift (so its 3 inches higher than standard.

2" lift gets you 2" over standard water depth, but 33" tires won't be 33" and - well, for example, if you had 32" tires and they were exactly 32" and you put on 33" tires that were exactly 33", you gain 1/2" of height.

Picky, I know, but.......... others will be looking on.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I want to see one of the bullies on here change their ZF fluid to the proper level without using a scan tool..LOL! You can use the display I understand but its not the correct or precise way.

I dont know why I get so much push back on this forum when I try and state the truth or actual facts. Its the same 5 guys that bully people and like each others posts constantly.

Uh, quite a few do it - even Jeep says it's ok.
Where in the world are you getting your info - youtube??

 

[ShadowsPapa]

5. The importance of the google review is that is shows engine oil leak and driveshaft leaks just after this transmission was replaced! It is very clear that an engine sump plug should not be leaking oil immediately after coming out of a Jeep workshop where they pulled the top end of the engine

Engine oil leak has nothing to do with transmission replacement. Totally not connected.
After engine work, that's different - IF it's the drain plug that's leaking, and they changed the oil, that's on them.
If the leak is associated with the engine work - only then is is related.

That vehicle is used for work - and you do that with it? Interesting!

 

[Hootbro]

Thanks for the facts man, I always was told i needed a scan tool. My bad and apologies if I mislead anyone.

I have done it twice doing the EVIC method. In both cases sans may a couple ounces +/-, the same amount of fluid went back in that had drained out.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The water level was not even that deep... something must have not repaired or done right by stealerships. That echo exactly my opinions that any cars i owned would be sold once the powertrain had been touched by monkeys at stealerships!

Tell us how you really feel - and how it's obvious, they are all bad, everyone working there or having ever worked there is a cheat and liar and you can always do better, no mistakes.

So you'd sell or otherwise get rid of any vehicle I've worked on.

 

[adamjedgar]

I dont expect that this will get fixed under warranty.

For those who may wonder why i included the google review, if you read the review carefully you will note that:

1. i make mention of a complaint i made to two dealerships about diff whine coming from underneath the car.

This diff whine was immediately after the new transmission was installed (on the way home after picking up the car).

My father had a nissan years ago that got diff whine and it was because the case hardening on crown wheel and pinion in the rear diff had failed.

Given my jeep did not have any of that noise prior to the new transmission installation, i am wondering if the transmission gears are causing the whine?

2. I complain about shoddy workmanship on the part of the mechanics who serviced my car because:

After the transmission was installed, i stumbled across the transmission breather hose lying down the back of the engine...it had not been installed correctly up on top of the motor where its supposed to be. I clipped it up myself.

Unfortunately, whilst i complained to jeep service dept about this when i grumbled about the oil plug on the engine sump, i did not take photos of where they had left the transmission breather. I did not think to check the top of the transmission for breather connection...it did not occur to me at the time and in hindsight, i really wish i had gone looking to check the bottom of the breather hose was connected to the transmission underneath. HAving said that, anyone who has done this will attest, its extremely difficult to see and even harder to reach on Gladiators with 3.6litre engines.

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