We are Suckers

[WILDHOBO]

@ShadowsPapa it seems to me that we are entering into the twilight zone
He pushed the button and then He was no more . Gone never to be heard from again .

Who needs em.

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[Stan H]

We could start a cheese drive .

 

[sharpsicle]

I'm waiting until they come out with the flux capacitor with the turbo encabulator final drive.

For those who don't know, Pontiac has had the Turbo Encabulator for decades.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

SO the 5th gen 4 runner went from 2010 to 2024. The Tacoma from 16-24. Why concern yourself with a model that is only 6 years old keeping up with models that last 8-10 years? Also, prior to the newest Toyota lineup, their tech and features were antiquated compared to anything else. The current word on the street is a new model of Wrangler/Gladiator for 2028. That's about par for the course. 97-06 TJ, 07-18ish JK, 18-2X....

The specific reason we haven't bought another Toyota, is because it was all literally the same as our 2014 FJ Cruiser.

Crazy to ask me to pay 55, 60k for the same drivetrain and interior I paid 28.9 for ten years ago lol.

And now the new ones poop their guts out.

 

[Stan H]

The specific reason we haven't bought another Toyota, is because it was all literally the same as our 2014 FJ Cruiser.

Crazy to ask me to pay 55, 60k for the same drivetrain and interior I paid 28.9 for ten years ago lol.

And now the new ones poop their guts out.

Like I have said many times on here Toyota Junk. They make one of the engines in my state and I still won't buy one.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I managed to put 214,000 miles on my Toyota with nothing but oil changes.

Never once sent that oil to a lab, never touched a brake pad, shock, transmission pan, never filtered my coolant...

 

[Zachanadandy]

He's not talking that sort of extreme driving but what the vast majority experience daily. And in a jeep, it's a big fuel hit.
You keep bringing in extremes instead of normal.

I don't think it's near the fuel hit people think. Because of our poor aero I'd argue the extra power would be more helpful than in the ram under normal driving. Being that many of us lift and add bigger tires and add other mods like winches and lighting making the poor aero even worse I'd bet the majority would only see a slight decrease in fuel economy and the users like myself would probably see an improvement. The v6 in both our JLUR and my JTM averages 12-13mpg. There's 0 chance that gets worse with a 5.7L as it would go from spending a lot of time in the 3500-6000 range to cruising at 85mph at 2k rpm. Enough power to do the job vs enough power to easily do the job.

 

[OCJosh]

I don't think it's near the fuel hit people think. Because of our poor aero I'd argue the extra power would be more helpful than in the ram under normal driving. Being that many of us lift and add bigger tires and add other mods like winches and lighting making the poor aero even worse I'd bet the majority would only see a slight decrease in fuel economy and the users like myself would probably see an improvement. The v6 in both our JLUR and my JTM averages 12-13mpg. There's 0 chance that gets worse with a 5.7L as it would go from spending a lot of time in the 3500-6000 range to cruising at 85mph at 2k rpm. Enough power to do the job vs enough power to easily do the job.

I would be curious to see what the V6 in the RAM 1500 gets in terms of MPG (from real-world users not stats). That would be a 1-to-1 comparison for our JTs since it's the same engine. If we use that as a basis of % difference between the two vehicles. Then we could use that % difference applied to the real-world numbers of the RAM 1500 with the V8 (to vegas and back, I would normally get about 21-22MPG with my 5.7).

 

[Zachanadandy]

I would be curious to see what the V6 in the RAM 1500 gets in terms of MPG (from real-world users not stats). That would be a 1-to-1 comparison for our JTs since it's the same engine. If we use that as a basis of % difference between the two vehicles. Then we could use that % difference applied to the real-world numbers of the RAM 1500 with the V8 (to vegas and back, I would normally get about 21-22MPG with my 5.7).

Nobody I know still has a v6 ram... both buddies that did traded them in for appropriately powered trucks after a couple years. My buddy would average 20mpg on roadtrips together at 80mph. The closest comparison I have now is my buddies 392 JLUR on 38s (similar build to the wife's JLUR)... and he averages the same 12-13mpg. Granted the 392 needs premium fuel so he spends more on fuel, but I'd gladly pay the extra 50 cents a gallon for 200hp.

 

[biodiesel]

I would be curious to see what the V6 in the RAM 1500 gets in terms of MPG (from real-world users not stats).

With a mix of city and highway driving, the Hemi comes out on top for fuel economy over the Hurricane. This is based on some testing that TFL did as well as feedback from the Ram 1500 forum. The Hurricane has better fuel economy on the highway, but it's not as good as the EcoDiesel.

I drove a four-hour road trip on Saturday with my Ram 1500 EcoDiesel and averaged 28.8.

 

[WILDHOBO]

We could start a cheese drive .

I like cheese.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I managed to put 214,000 miles on my Toyota with nothing but oil changes.

Never once sent that oil to a lab, never touched a brake pad, shock, transmission pan, never filtered my coolant...

Yet I wouldn’t want to be the next owner.

 

[sharpsicle]

With a mix of city and highway driving, the Hemi comes out on top for fuel economy over the Hurricane. This is based on some testing that TFL did as well as feedback from the Ram 1500 forum. The Hurricane has better fuel economy on the highway, but it's not as good as the EcoDiesel.

I drove a four-hour road trip on Saturday with my Ram 1500 EcoDiesel and averaged 28.8.

That's a diesel though. We're talking gassers.

 

[biodiesel]

That's a diesel though. We're talking gassers.

I was talking about the 3.0 Hurricane, then added my experience with the 3.0 EcoDiesel.

"With a mix of city and highway driving, the Hemi comes out on top for fuel economy over the Hurricane. This is based on some testing that TFL did as well as feedback from the Ram 1500 forum. The Hurricane has better fuel economy on the highway, but it's not as good as the EcoDiesel."

 

[WILDHOBO]

I was talking about the 3.0 Hurricane, then added my experience with the 3.0 EcoDiesel.

"With a mix of city and highway driving, the Hemi comes out on top for fuel economy over the Hurricane. This is based on some testing that TFL did as well as feedback from the Ram 1500 forum. The Hurricane has better fuel economy on the highway, but it's not as good as the EcoDiesel."

Both are very different from the PUG though.

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