We are Suckers

[WILDHOBO]

I like cheese.

Seriously. Dedicated fridge drawer. Just cheese. Sometimes I allow in cured artisan sausage in there. If the flavor profile is right.

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[Stan H]

I like cheese.

I always had you pegged for a caviar and paté kinda guy

 

[DylanM]

That's a diesel though. We're talking gassers.

Both are very different from the PUG though.

It can still be useful to answer OCJosh's question about the difference in fuel mileage for the PUG in the Ram 1500 vs JT. Comparing fuel mileage from an ecodiesel Ram 1500 to that in a likewise equipped JT can give a ballpark idea to the percentage difference made by the better aerodynamics of the Ram.

 

[Staniator]

It's a work truck and a fun truck

 

[vacaedzzr1200]

Personally I can't stand the seating position of any of Toyota's trucks. Not to mention other issues I dislike. All the electronic bullshit like lane departure warnings.
Have always wanted a Jeep but have always had to have the responsible vehicle, 1985 S10 pickup for 14 years, 2001 Silverado 2500 for 24 years so now I have the Jeep I always wanted. Has everything I need(big difference between needs and wants).

 

[Zachanadandy]

It can still be useful to answer OCJosh's question about the difference in fuel mileage for the PUG in the Ram 1500 vs JT. Comparing fuel mileage from an ecodiesel Ram 1500 to that in a likewise equipped JT can give a ballpark idea to the percentage difference made by the better aerodynamics of the Ram.

The last rating comparison I saw on the ram was 19city/24hwy for the pug and 17city/23hwy for the 5.7L. If it was a $3k option like in the ram on the gladiator I don't know anybody who wheels that wouldn't take an extra 150ftlbs for 1mpg on paper that likely becomes 0 mpg when lifted. If they package it like the 392 where I have to get every available option to get the engine and it costs me $20k I'd still consider it personally.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I was talking about the 3.0 Hurricane, then added my experience with the 3.0 EcoDiesel.

"With a mix of city and highway driving, the Hemi comes out on top for fuel economy over the Hurricane. This is based on some testing that TFL did as well as feedback from the Ram 1500 forum. The Hurricane has better fuel economy on the highway, but it's not as good as the EcoDiesel."

TFL - now there's a reliable source of pure fact.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It can still be useful to answer OCJosh's question about the difference in fuel mileage for the PUG in the Ram 1500 vs JT. Comparing fuel mileage from an ecodiesel Ram 1500 to that in a likewise equipped JT can give a ballpark idea to the percentage difference made by the better aerodynamics of the Ram.

As far as the 3.6 -
The tunes are different in the Ram vs. the JT. The Ram is tested in the wind tunnel and ground effects, mirrors and more are tweaked to reduce drag.
Are gear ratios the same? Shift points? Tire sizes and types?
It's just an apples to oranges thing.
It's not only aerodynamics.

 

[Zachanadandy]

As far as the 3.6 -
The tunes are different in the Ram vs. the JT. The Ram is tested in the wind tunnel and ground effects, mirrors and more are tweaked to reduce drag.
Are gear ratios the same? Shift points? Tire sizes and types?
It's just an apples to oranges thing.
It's not only aerodynamics.

So on a truck the same size comparing the engines that could be put in the JT is completely irrelevant because they are different trucks? The comparisons of the v6 vs the 5.7L vs the EcoDiesel are directly relevant in my opinion. No the mileage in the JT won't be the same, but the delta between them should be very similar and in my opinion the v6 has to work harder in the JT which would close the already small gap. That is conjecture unless they actually put the v8 in the JT, but I don't see a snow balls chance in hell that the delta is bigger between the 2 in the Jeep vs the Ram.

 

[Hootbro]

TFL - now there's a reliable source of pure fact.

TFL's MPG testing loop is one of the more consistent things they do with every vehicle. It is a 111 mile loop around Denver starting and stopping at the same gas station and pump.

 

[corey8922]

Ok my fist jeep was a CJ, followed by a YJ then a TJ now a JT. As to modernization they have come WAY forward from where they were. As to vented seats I wouldn’t want it cause the mud that would plug them up would be a customer complaint nightmare so I can see why they don’t offer it. The only thing I would love is a power rear window I love the Gladiator but mine is a daily driver and side by side so way cheaper than two vehicles and a trailer. Just my 2 cents and it all comes down to how you use it

 

[ShadowsPapa]

TFL's MPG testing loop is one of the more consistent things they do with every vehicle. It is a 111 mile loop around Denver starting and stopping at the same gas station and pump.

But they still use the old fill the tank, drive it, then fill it again?
That can be inaccurate by miles when considering a single tank.

 

[Hootbro]

But they still use the old fill the tank, drive it, then fill it again?
That can be inaccurate by miles when considering a single tank.

How else they suppose to do it?

They are not doing closed course instrumented EPA approved MPG testing but normal everyday driving. They state up front they do the speed limit where possible but on any given day, traffic may dictate they may speed up or slow down to avoid being a traffic hazard themselves.

 

[biodiesel]

But they still use the old fill the tank, drive it, then fill it again?
That can be inaccurate by miles when considering a single tank.

They use the same pump, the same fill process, and the same fuel. It's as accurate as you will get when comparing two vehicles. The TFL results are similar to what others have also experienced.

 

[Zachanadandy]

They use the same pump, the same fill process, and the same fuel. It's as accurate as you will get when comparing two vehicles. The TFL results are similar to what others have also experienced.

But if we put the 5.7L in the Jeep it's going to get 5mpg obviously because factors and variables that can't be defined and defy all logical comparisons.

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