When are E-lockers coming to market? >:(

[d k]

Ughhhhh


There is another issue...


If you run any kind of lsd inthe front (torsen, clutch) you will lose the front axle disconnect feature.
They found a cheap way to do it, which is to disconnect one front axle and have the open diff spin on one side.
Keeps from turning the driveshaft in 2wd. I guess that is worth 2mpg or some crap like that.

It would be nice if they did it on both sides.
I would even be happy with old school manual locking hubs for that matter.

Unfortunately, Eaton made an electronic locking TrueTrac and then took it off the market. That would have been GREAT! Must have had some problems that caused it to be withdrawn from the market. https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/154-0305-electric-traction-lock/

I have a TrueTrac in my 98 Explorer, it is a really good looking piece of equipment, and right at the technical limit of my capabilities to install. 80K miles later, my oldest son is still driving it. HUGE upgrade over the factory clutch LSD. I foolishly installed a Ford Motorosports heavy duty LSD in my '97 Ranger prior to getting on the TrueTrac bandwagon, the tow package LSD was toast after 25K. Still have a TrueTrack in my '93 YJ, replaced the Sahara LSD as it was toast. I hate clutch and cone LSD's both, yet the GovLock is even worse.

Riding the parking brake is very effective for locking the rear up, and the offroad 3:1 bias works well without causing a bunch of oversteer. I guess the track day TrueTracs run 4:1?

Doesn't help for the front if you have a manual, it would be tough to heel & toe to keep brakes on while navigating an obstacle that you really want a front locker for. Would the electronic stability control work for tricking a TrueTrac?

I haven't daily driven a vehicle without a limited slip since 1997, I've struggled a bit with the understeer in my JTR on the street. The electronic stability control killing power just feels weird and not nice. OTOH the rear locker in 2Hi is hilarious fun on dirt! Thank you Tazer!

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[Bonanza]

I don't want to blow your bubble, but any e-locker will be as expensive as an ARB. Eaton used to offer the e-locker as part of their line, they were not cheap. OX locker were really good too, cable-actuated. I don't know if they still around.

Another advantage of the ARB is bringing an OBA system in your Jeep - given that you got the right air compressor. ARBs has been around for decades, because it's reliable, simple and it works.

It might worth checking the Mopar Performance Part catalog. If FCA is already offering Dana60 w/ OEM e-locker there, maybe they can also offer the OEM e-locker on his own for the D210/D220 (as a full installation kit or just as part listing). Then, it will be just a mater of adding the switches and have the canbus reprogrammed...

Having the OEM locker available on its own was my biggest hope. It worked great in my 2017 Rubicon, never had an issue. I did snap the sensor in the rear of the housing during the install (whoops), so the front locker indicator just kept flashing, but overall the system worked great. Plus they weren't terrible expensive either.

 

[brianinca]

I guess I don't know why a front LSD would be an issue. It's not uncommon in YJ's, I've considered it, and that vacuum operated CAD hasn't come up as an issue.

The second mine causes a problem I'lm swapping in a solid axle shaft, but in California the dang system still works perfectly after 30 years.

At this point I'm looking at green stickering my YJ and trailering it with the JTR when I want to go play for real, so putting $$ into that D30 up front ain't happening.

As for mileage, I don't believe it, I swapped to manual Warns on my 97 Ranger VERY early on, killed the auto hubs 3X in 30K miles. I never noticed a change in mileage whether the hubs were locked or not. I'd bet .5 MPG would be reason enough to do it, though.

Ughhhhh


There is another issue...


If you run any kind of lsd inthe front (torsen, clutch) you will lose the front axle disconnect feature.
They found a cheap way to do it, which is to disconnect one front axle and have the open diff spin on one side.
Keeps from turning the driveshaft in 2wd. I guess that is worth 2mpg or some crap like that.

It would be nice if they did it on both sides.
I would even be happy with old school manual locking hubs for that matter.

 

[d k]

Front lsd wouldn't be an issue normally, but it interferes with the factory front axle disconnect system.
That's all.

I guess I don't know why a front LSD would be an issue. It's not uncommon in YJ's, I've considered it, and that vacuum operated CAD hasn't come up as an issue.

The second mine causes a problem I'lm swapping in a solid axle shaft, but in California the dang system still works perfectly after 30 years.

At this point I'm looking at green stickering my YJ and trailering it with the JTR when I want to go play for real, so putting $$ into that D30 up front ain't happening.

As for mileage, I don't believe it, I swapped to manual Warns on my 97 Ranger VERY early on, killed the auto hubs 3X in 30K miles. I never noticed a change in mileage whether the hubs were locked or not. I'd bet .5 MPG would be reason enough to do it, though.

 

[Uparms]

I am holding out for E-Lockers but would use an Ox or two. All the manufactures are dragging their butts getting us some locker choices Sport Max -Tow. Don't want to regear yet till I can do lockers at the same time.

 

[obrianmcc]

I thought the Max Tow was spec'd with open diffs front/rear? ...

 

[bastage]

im in the same boat. I have no doubt the ARB product is good, but its not what I want. At this point I am hoping to find a set of Rubi Stock axles to swap in. I have the feeling I will break down & do ARB;s before an eLocker actually comes to market though.

 

[Bonanza]

im in the same boat. I have no doubt the ARB product is good, but its not what I want. At this point I am hoping to find a set of Rubi Stock axles to swap in. I have the feeling I will break down & do ARB;s before an eLocker actually comes to market though.

Around black Friday I've seen specials where the air pump is included with lockers. Currently if there is no hope of anything coming to market, that's where I'm headed.

 

[bastage]

Around black Friday I've seen specials where the air pump is included with lockers. Currently if there is no hope of anything coming to market, that's where I'm headed.

Honestly its not about the cost for me. I dont expect that the overall cost would be all that much different. Its about the amount of equipment installed on the rig & the complexity of the installation (or moreso the difficulty of repairing when something goes wrong).

 

[LostWoods]

Does anyone know if the Performa-TraK locker in the 2021 Bronco D44 the same as the Rubicon?

The Bronco upgraded axles are M210 and M220 as well so my hope is that they will fit and be a traditionally-actuated locker than can just be wired up to a switch panel without any logic. Part of why I hate the Rubicon lockers is that they're only available in 4Lo and can't be front-only.

All I know is someone needs to get off their ass and make one soon. I'd pick OX first, an eaton electonic second, but if those aren't out by sometime next year, I'll probably just do ARBs once someone releases 35-spline rear axles.

 

[d k]

No, it comes with a limited slip rear and open front.

I thought the Max Tow was spec'd with open diffs front/rear? ...

 

[d k]

I belive thats only in the coding. You might be able to get around it with a tazer.

"LostWoods, post: 532245, Part of why I hate the Rubicon lockers is that they're only available in 4Lo and can't be front-only.

 

[Brfertig [HACKED ACCOUNT]]

The Bronco upgraded axles are M210 and M220 as well so my hope is that they will fit and be a traditionally-actuated locker than can just be wired up to a switch panel without any logic. Part of why I hate the Rubicon lockers is that they're only available in 4Lo and can't be front-only.

All I know is someone needs to get off their ass and make one soon. I'd pick OX first, an eaton electonic second, but if those aren't out by sometime next year, I'll probably just do ARBs once someone releases 35-spline rear axles.

35 spline are available. I have a set for the rear and the arb rd246 35 spline m220.

 

[LostWoods]

35 spline are available. I have a set for the rear and the arb rd246 35 spline m220.

You had to have them made though, didn't you? I could have sworn that's what I remember from your build thread and I'd rather stick with off-the-shelf parts in the case I have an issue. I'd honestly stick with 32 spline if it weren't that I definitely want to go up to 37's.

Either way, lockers are behind lift and armor on the to-do list for the next year so odds are I'll be giving the others until SEMA next year to announce something before pulling the trigger on ARB.

 

[Brfertig [HACKED ACCOUNT]]

You had to have them made though, didn't you? I could have sworn that's what I remember from your build thread and I'd rather stick with off-the-shelf parts in the case I have an issue. I'd honestly stick with 32 spline if it weren't that I definitely want to go up to 37's.

Either way, lockers are behind lift and armor on the to-do list for the next year so odds are I'll be giving the others until SEMA next year to announce something before pulling the trigger on ARB.

Yes I had them made but anyone can do this, not just a one time thing. I want to encourage the mods not sway you one way or the other. You don't have to wait if you don't want to.
Good luck.

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