Why do you like or dislike Auto start stop (ESS)?

[drBassman]

I like it only because i have a manual, and therefore control.

Can you verify this: -- with the manual, one has to put it in neutral & then let the clutch out before it stops the engine? If so, great! I *NEVER* put the vehicle in neutral @ a stop--I *ALWAYS* keep the clutch pressed. Idiocy averted!

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[guntrust]

Can you verify this: -- with the manual, one has to put it in neutral & then let the clutch out before it stops the engine? If so, great! I *NEVER* put the vehicle in neutral @ a stop--I *ALWAYS* keep the clutch pressed. Idiocy averted!

Yup, verified! (And i'm not FBI, so that means something.)

Once in awhile it does turn out to be a long light, so i nudge it into neutral and let my left foot relax elsewhere.

 

[Evilhomer 0||||||||0]

Yup, verified! (And i'm not FBI, so that means something.)

Once in awhile it does turn out to be a long light, so i nudge it into neutral and let my left foot relax elsewhere.

+1

Also, this feature doesnt bother me. Not so sure why everyone is so worked up over it.

 

[spazzyfry123]

Not sure if this will be same for the JT as mine is still being put together, but my company car - '19 Chevy Equinox - has the feature and I can't say that I care for it. I'll admit, it's annoying more than anything when the light turns green and I have to wait that extra half a second to get going. But the big push for me is that it happens to get hot down here in Florida. It seems that every time I come to a rest, the car shuts off and the A/C immediately raises the air by about 20 degrees. It gets hot quick!

 

[rafaelsmith]

When I get my JT, disabling damn ESS will be one of the first things I do. Probably just do the hood sensor hack at first.

In every vehicle I have driven that has ESS...its has been nothing but annoying....especially summer time here in Florida.

 

[Mr._Bill]

+1

Also, this feature doesnt bother me. Not so sure why everyone is so worked up over it.

I don't understand it either. You hit the start button, move your finger a couple inches over, and push the ESS off button. After thirty days it's a habit, and soon you do it without thinking about it. At least we have a easy way to disable it.

 

[AggieJeep]

I don't understand it either. You hit the start button, move your finger a couple inches over, and push the ESS off button. After thirty days it's a habit, and soon you do it without thinking about it. At least we have a easy way to disable it.

As an engineer, this is inefficient. Human factors are always key considerations in our solutions. This feature will be accepted by some while a significant portion find it to be a constant nuisance. Even if only 20% hate it, that is too high. A good solution avoids angering the user base.

I have a short 1.5 mile drive to my trusty bbq breakfast taco place. ESS will stop the engine 5 times for about 1-2 seconds on 4 of those stops. The last stop can have more traffic and the engine stays off for maybe 7-20 seconds.

Why should I have to disable this feature at EVERY start? I would never order this feature had it been optional. Since I had to pay for it, it would be nice to just have it remember the setting. This would be an easy fix via nothing but software. I should not have to buy another product, or jank up my truck by removing a hood sensor to disable such a useless, bothersome feature. I still don’t trust this with Houston traffic. I ain’t afraid of much, but ESS and a readhead with an ice pick top my list.

 

[Mr._Bill]

As an engineer, this is inefficient. Human factors are always key considerations in our solutions. This feature will be accepted by some while a significant portion find it to be a constant nuisance. Even if only 20% hate it, that is too high. A good solution avoids angering the user base.

I have a short 1.5 mile drive to my trusty bbq breakfast taco place. ESS will stop the engine 5 times for about 1-2 seconds on 4 of those stops. The last stop can have more traffic and the engine stays off for maybe 7-20 seconds.

Why should I have to disable this feature at EVERY start? I would never order this feature had it been optional. Since I had to pay for it, it would be nice to just have it remember the setting. This would be an easy fix via nothing but software. I should not have to buy another product, or jank up my truck by removing a hood sensor to disable such a useless, bothersome feature. I still don’t trust this with Houston traffic. I ain’t afraid of much, but ESS and a readhead with an ice pick top my list.

If it's such a bother, spend the $130 for the clip in module so it stays in the desired state. I considered that, but I'm cheap, I just disable it at startup. I only disable it when it's hot, and leave it enabled on long drives.

People are getting all worked up over something Jeep can't control. They gave us what the government would allow under current regulations. Design and consideration for the user are overridden by government mandates. This is an issue that should be raised with the elected representatives.

 

[spazzyfry123]

If it's such a bother, spend the $130 for the clip in module so it stays in the desired state. I considered that, but I'm cheap, I just disable it at startup. I only disable it when it's hot, and leave it enabled on long drives.

People are getting all worked up over something Jeep can't control. They gave us what the government would allow under current regulations. Design and consideration for the user are overridden by government mandates. This is an issue that should be raised with the elected representatives.

Was there a change from auto makers adding it to just be a part of the cool kids club to say they’re saving the whales to it actually being mandatory?

I ask because if it was something that was made a mandatory feature, I’ve owned multiple vehicles where it would remember my previous selection. So much so that the last two I owned that I had the ability to switch off manually was the last time I hit the switch. Stayed “off” from there on out. Granted the most recent that come to mind were 2011 and 2015 model years and regulations have surely changed since.

I agree with @AggieJeep , but I may be biased based on profession

 

[5JeepsAz]

They design the system to be restarted more than a normal starter. They have different gearing, brushes, bearings, has an electronic disconnect from the solenoid, and are more aware of cylinder position.

Not arguing. Why the heck wouldn't they do it the better to begin with?

 

[Mr._Bill]

Was there a change from auto makers adding it to just be a part of the cool kids club to say they’re saving the whales to it actually being mandatory?

I ask because if it was something that was made a mandatory feature, I’ve owned multiple vehicles where it would remember my previous selection. So much so that the last two I owned that I had the ability to switch off manually was the last time I hit the switch. Stayed “off” from there on out. Granted the most recent that come to mind were 2011 and 2015 model years and regulations have surely changed since.

I agree with @AggieJeep , but I may be biased based on profession

I have not looked up and read the current regulations. They get worse every year, with California being more strict, on the mandates to improve MPG. It is cheaper to provide one model that is compliant in all states. Eventually, the option to disable will likely be taken away.

 

[AggieJeep]

If it's such a bother, spend the $130 for the clip in module so it stays in the desired state. I considered that, but I'm cheap, I just disable it at startup. ...

The extra button push is a bother. Paying more money to disable a feature I HAD to pay for is a bother. I have the ability to build my own canbus widget to turn this off, that too is a bother. I can appreciate that you are ok with the ESS. I’m ok with the push button start. I don’t think it is great, but I don’t hate it. There are aspects I like regarding the old key start. Keyless entry, I love. Push button start, is fine but given the choice to skip it I likely would. ESS, simply does not work for me and I feel is a true waste and plain stupid. I can’t abide stupid.

QUOTE="Mr._Bill, post: 329231, member: 22913"]People are getting all worked up over something Jeep can't control. They gave us what the government would allow under current regulations.[/QUOTE]
I have no doubt this ESS stupidity is driven by the desire to eek out any kind of fuel efficiency. I have not seen where the constant activation of ESS is truly and specifically mandated. Please share if you have the reference for this.

 

[canyonrat]

It’s not even a matter of paying for the harness to shut off ESS, although that is a bother absolutely. It is adding something else to go wrong. So is the Auto Park. In a vehicle supposedly designed to be many miles off road on overland adventures, having more things to go wrong is not a plus.

 

[Mr._Bill]

The extra button push is a bother. Paying more money to disable a feature I HAD to pay for is a bother. I have the ability to build my own canbus widget to turn this off, that too is a bother. I can appreciate that you are ok with the ESS. I’m ok with the push button start. I don’t think it is great, but I don’t hate it. There are aspects I like regarding the old key start. Keyless entry, I love. Push button start, is fine but given the choice to skip it I likely would. ESS, simply does not work for me and I feel is a true waste and plain stupid. I can’t abide stupid.

People are getting all worked up over something Jeep can't control. They gave us what the government would allow under current regulations.

I have no doubt this ESS stupidity is driven by the desire to eek out any kind of fuel efficiency. I have not seen where the constant activation of ESS is truly and specifically mandated. Please share if you have the reference for this.

Constant activation is not mandated, yet, otherwise we would not have a button to disable it. Having it re-enabled at every startup is enough to satisfy the governmental MPG improvement requirements forced upon the automaker.

I'm not okay with ESS, but it is something that is unavoidable, so I cope with it as best I can. It may be stupid, which I don't like either, but it has enough proven benefit that we are stuck with it as a measure to improve MPG. Calling it a 'feature you had to pay for', like the dealer forced it upon you, is not accurate. It is not something that can be deleted when the truck is ordered. It is part of the cost of the vehicle, like the catalytic converter, and is forced upon you by your government.

 

[AggieJeep]

Constant activation is not mandated, yet, otherwise we would not have a button to disable it. Having it re-enabled at every startup is enough to satisfy the governmental MPG improvement requirements forced upon the automaker.

I'm not okay with ESS, but it is something that is unavoidable, so I cope with it as best I can. It may be stupid, which I don't like either, but it has enough proven benefit that we are stuck with it as a measure to improve MPG. Calling it a 'feature you had to pay for', like the dealer forced it upon you, is not accurate. It is not something that can be deleted when the truck is ordered. It is part of the cost of the vehicle, like the catalytic converter, and is forced upon you by your government.

Again, respectfully, where is your source for your claim that Jeep has no choice in this? I am genuinely interested in learning here.

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