Recent Rubicon/Mojave Deliveres, What shocks do you have?

[Rusty PW]

Not that its the end all be all of info, but the Jeep website doesn't mention the Fox shocks on the Rubicon but it does for the Mojave-- still. Aren't the Mojave shocks different from off the shelf Fox remote reservoir gear?

That being said, I think we might be seeing an issue with a supplier exclusive contract coming to an end. Ford is heavily invested in the Fox suspension systems for the F150 Raptor, Ranger Tremor, Bronco Raptor, and the upcoming Ranger Raptor.

Perhaps Fox and Stellantis are parting ways? The Ram TRX comes with a Bilstein system FWIW.

Power Wagons always used the Bilstein's. So it's no brainer for the TRX to use them too.

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[DesertRated]

Thanks for checking, now time to find someone who has received their 23 Mojave and see what the shocks are.

There are at least (8) 2023 Mojaves with pictures on auto trader. All of them appear to have the Fox remote reservoir shocks.

 

[briscoelab]

The Mojave is going to retain the Fox setup (shocks and bumps). It's a major part of the model.

It's just the Rubicon that is being switched to the red shocks.

 

[AirbusDriver]

How long to get a sticker after built? Mine just finished today(Mojave).. so we will see what the sticker says.

Edit.. Ok they changed my build sheet it now says Fox Shocks. whew. lol Also the steering wheel now says Competition steering wheel.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The Mojave is going to retain the Fox setup (shocks and bumps). It's a major part of the model.

It's just the Rubicon that is being switched to the red shocks.

The shocks are part of the design of the Mojave - it needs them.
The shocks under a Rubicon are just shocks - as long as they function, that's all that's needed. The rest is looks and bragging rights. There are plenty of good shocks that will work on Rubicon and allow it to do exactly what it's done for years. The Fox are not necessary and not part of the truck's design.
I guess I don't see it as a big deal as long as the "new shocks" function to allow the Rubicon JT to do what it's always done. How many actually retain the original shocks for very long anyway?

Is it really an issue? Honestly, asking - is it a big deal, a big issue? Does it harm the functionality? On road or off?

 

[briscoelab]

I don’t think it’s a big deal on the rubicon at all. The red units are certainly cheaper though… so kind of a bummer on such an expensive vehicle. But I’ve had the red units in my JLUR. They are fine.

I’ve also had the stock fox on my JT LE. I thought they were majorly under damped for both compression and rebound in the rear.

Either way the shocks on my JTRD will be swapped out with new from a lift kit shortly after it arrives.

 

[ATL_Rubi]

The shocks are part of the design of the Mojave - it needs them.
The shocks under a Rubicon are just shocks - as long as they function, that's all that's needed. The rest is looks and bragging rights. There are plenty of good shocks that will work on Rubicon and allow it to do exactly what it's done for years. The Fox are not necessary and not part of the truck's design.
I guess I don't see it as a big deal as long as the "new shocks" function to allow the Rubicon JT to do what it's always done. How many actually retain the original shocks for very long anyway?

Is it really an issue? Honestly, asking - is it a big deal, a big issue? Does it harm functionality? On road or off?

I think for me, it's not a big deal, it's the annoyance at the marketing done for Fox prior, then radio silence when they change it. You expect one thing but receive another. Does it affect anything tremendously? No. But when the expectation is not met, it isn't very pleasant. For reference, I kept my rubicon shocks from 09 on until I ran 37s, the better part of 3 years.

 

[Dougstdig]

With the different part number, I can only speculate that the shocks resist the down-stroke more (perhaps less resistance to the upstroke??), different valving.
Looks have little meaning (actually no meaning - they can be very different inside)

It was suggested by a knowledgeable person I should try to find a pair of the TSB front shocks to go with the springs I put under the front of my own JT. He said the valving would more closely match the springs I was using. I looked at the pricing and though - naw, I can live with my lowly little plain-jane black shocks for a while for that price.

I would agree that the compression valving is definitely different. Rebound is a different story…I can’t tell either way.

 

[Darkspeed]

My concern is how the red will perform on the JTDR i have on order

 

[NachoRuby]

The shocks are part of the design of the Mojave - it needs them.
The shocks under a Rubicon are just shocks - as long as they function, that's all that's needed. The rest is looks and bragging rights. There are plenty of good shocks that will work on Rubicon and allow it to do exactly what it's done for years. The Fox are not necessary and not part of the truck's design.
I guess I don't see it as a big deal as long as the "new shocks" function to allow the Rubicon JT to do what it's always done. How many actually retain the original shocks for very long anyway?

Is it really an issue? Honestly, asking - is it a big deal, a big issue? Does it harm the functionality? On road or off?

Perhaps it's a bit superficial, but aesthetics matter, and the fox shocks look good under my jeep! They are bouncy on rough pavement at speed, though, so I have been looking at replacing them, because all pavement is rough around here. I don't know what I'll go with, but probably Teraflex Falcons.

The Foxes handle well off pavement and when there's weight in my bed. But if I'm being honest, I'm on pavement with an empty bed going to or coming from work most of the time. I get to run trails only maybe 3 or 4 times per year, and I want something confident when I do leave pavement.

 

[Dougstdig]

My concern is how the red will perform on the JTDR i have on order

I suspect there will be 2 differences in extreme situations. First, the Fox is aluminum bodied and dissipates heat more efficiently. During normal day to day driving I suspect you’ll see no fade. If you frequent miles of high speed washboard roads you may feel the shocks soften up. Second, I believe the Fox shocks have a thicker cross section @ 2” so the volume of oil may be higher, again helping to dissipate heat to reduce fade.

As others have said if you mod the suspension neither of these will play any factor as the shocks would be replaced.

 

[Darkspeed]

jeep just forced my hand, JT: DIESEL Falcon SP2 3.3 Fast Adjust Piggyback Shocks

 

[Dougstdig]

Perhaps it's a bit superficial, but aesthetics matter, and the fox shocks look good under my jeep! They are bouncy on rough pavement at speed, though, so I have been looking at replacing them, because all pavement is rough around here. I don't know what I'll go with, but probably Teraflex Falcons.

The Foxes handle well off pavement and when there's weight in my bed. But if I'm being honest, I'm on pavement with an empty bed going to or coming from work most of the time. I get to run trails only maybe 3 or 4 times per year, and I want something confident when I do leave pavement.

I’ll throw this out as a recommendation. Years ago I had a crew cab Chevy that would porpoise
Going over several bridges so bad I had to slow to 45mph from 65-70mph speeds or it would feel my front end would leave the surface of the road. I replaced the stock shocks with the standard yellow Bilstein shocks and the transformation was remarkable.

If you went with the 5100 series (non yellow) I thing you would be very satisfied…at a FRACTION of the price.

Additionally, availability should be discussed especially with your diesel model. If something should go wrong and one fails or is damaged, how long would it take to get a single falcon. Also, Falcon’s need to be serviced. I’m not sure of the mileage (25-50k). With the 5100 series, you trash them and replace, but at a fraction of the price you are still way ahead. These are the same shocks AEV uses. I think they have a different AEV sticker with dialed in valving, but the same non the less.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Perhaps it's a bit superficial, but aesthetics matter, and the fox shocks look good under my jeep! They are bouncy on rough pavement at speed, though, so I have been looking at replacing them, because all pavement is rough around here. I don't know what I'll go with, but probably Teraflex Falcons.

The Foxes handle well off pavement and when there's weight in my bed. But if I'm being honest, I'm on pavement with an empty bed going to or coming from work most of the time. I get to run trails only maybe 3 or 4 times per year, and I want something confident when I do leave pavement.

And that's why I left them under my 2020 until I traded it. But I'm torn as to - are the looks important enough to stick them under this 2022, or should I just wait until I find a better shock for the front springs and then do one swap.

First, the Fox is aluminum bodied and dissipates heat more efficiently. During normal day to day driving I suspect you’ll see no fade. If you frequent miles of high speed washboard roads you may feel the shocks soften up. Second, I believe the Fox shocks have a thicker cross section @ 2” so the volume of oil may be higher, again helping to dissipate heat to reduce fade.

I suspect you are right - it's going to depend.......... aluminum is far better at heat transfer, but how many will notice? I'd bet those who will hit the sort of situation where that is important have already done a lift and replaced springs and shocks anyway. Maybe. Who knows. It's all speculative at this point, but not your points on aluminum and size/volume as related to heat.

 

[Gmac03]

I’ll throw this out as a recommendation. Years ago I had a crew cab Chevy that would porpoise
Going over several bridges so bad I had to slow to 45mph from 65-70mph speeds or it would feel my front end would leave the surface of the road. I replaced the stock shocks with the standard yellow Bilstein shocks and the transformation was remarkable.

If you went with the 5100 series (non yellow) I thing you would be very satisfied…at a FRACTION of the price.

Additionally, availability should be discussed especially with your diesel model. If something should go wrong and one fails or is damaged, how long would it take to get a single falcon. Also, Falcon’s need to be serviced. I’m not sure of the mileage (25-50k). With the 5100 series, you trash them and replace, but at a fraction of the price you are still way ahead. These are the same shocks AEV uses. I think they have a different AEV sticker with dialed in valving, but the same non the less.

I am a big fan of Bilstein going back to my Nissan and Mitsu days of fan boy cars.
They were equal or better than KWs for the track and are always rebuildable out of their CA factory versus Germany.

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