Failed Mojave theft caught on security cam video.

[Artsifrtsi]

A few years ago. I bought a Samsung 10 camera security system from Sam's club for $600. The cameras are HD, night vision, and hardwired. I had fun wiring everything up. The system can expand to 16 cameras total. I can view on my phone or laptop. Normal viewing, I have it on a 27" tv hanging on the wall in the office. The problem with the system. I get no notifications on my phone. But I do on my tv. The neighbor's call me to see if I caught anything on the cameras at night sometimes. Like the night the half naked drunk woman was walking around the hood at 3am. playing with herself.

Our last house I installed a hard-wired system, it was good, but either no notifications or annoying level of motion notifications. It was difficult to go through the recordings if I wanted to see a certain date/time.

The blink cameras required no wiring, take AA lithium batteries - I have some going on their second year with original batteries (high motion areas batteries go a little faster - lowest time I have seen thus far is 8 months for driveway), easily connect to the wireless system in your network, and only take 2 small screws to install. You can set the motion sensitivity, motion area, and even operation times in the app. The app displays all your cameras and sync modules on one screen, unlike some other wireless cameras (like ring). There are indoor and outdoor specific cameras, a doorbell camera, and mini cameras.

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[GEETCH]

Are you talking about the Tazer hood alarm? Mine sounds the horn.

no I’m talking about the tazer firm ware upgrade that was in the video I posted, they now added a pin block and car jack mode.

At startup of the vehicle,you will have about 15 sec to enter your pin, if you don’t all four breaks are engaged via abs system and external lights go nuts

carjack is when your parked engine on, if driver door gets opened and fob removed it has 20 sec before breaks engage.

 

[Gvsukids]

no I’m talking about the tazer firm ware upgrade that was in the video I posted, they now added a pin block and car jack mode.

At startup of the vehicle,you will have about 15 sec to enter your pin, if you don’t all four breaks are engaged via abs system and external lights go nuts

carjack is when your parked engine on, if driver door gets opened and fob removed it has 20 sec before breaks engage.

Gotcha. I also like the autopark kill function that is on the new update.

 

[Viper501]

I am quite surprised Jeep is not the subject of a massive class action lawsuit related to the JL/JT ease of theft. Hyundai and Kia have a class action lawsuit ( and I think there was one over the Camry but I could be confused ) alleging ease of theft. How is it we have vehicles sold without any hood lock system, where the alarm won’t go off if you open the hood while the truck is closed and locked, and thieves can so easily disable the alarm? That is the absence of even slight care in my book. And I’m sure most people assume that the alarm will go off if the truck is locked and the hood is opened. I know I did prior to buying my Mojave.

 

[RJinPV]

Such a coincidence. Just this morning I had a hood pin switch added to my alarm on my new Gladiator. Now the alarm goes off if someone tries to open the hood when the alarm is armed. This forum is such a great place. I probably never would have thought to do that if it wasn't for all of the threads posted here.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I am quite surprised Jeep is not the subject of a massive class action lawsuit related to the JL/JT ease of theft. Hyundai and Kia have a class action lawsuit

Seriously? The incidents of this is tiny compared to the Kia thing. Tiny. It's only big because it's hashed out with great anger on the internet.
The instances of the Gladiator being stolen is a mere fraction of Kia. And the ones you mention are stupid easy to steal. And kid could do it.
The Jeep at least takes some equipment and planning.
Again, like we've talked about ad nauseam here in other threads, some of it could be mitigated by the OWNERS, as the police in several locations have stated.
If you leave the fob hanging by the back door - that's an owner issue, not a Jeep issue.

They aren't the most stolen and are hardly the most easy to steal, unless you ask people on a Jeep forum.
I read a British report saying that over there, the Range Rover, Discovery, certain BMWs and Mercedes vehicle, all keyless - were the most easy to steal, and yet there's no attorneys chasing after owners to get them to sue.

 

[Viper501]

Seriously? ….
If you leave the fob hanging by the back door - that's an owner issue, not a Jeep issue.

They aren't the most stolen and are hardly the most easy to steal, unless you ask people on a Jeep forum.
I read a British report saying that over there, the Range Rover, Discovery, certain BMWs and Mercedes vehicle, all keyless - were the most easy to steal, and yet there's no attorneys chasing after owners to get them to sue.

First, I am serious. There is no excuse for Jeep not including even a rudimentary level of physical security on these trucks. In fact, the EU market has a requirement for a theft deterrent hood latch which is why Jeep developed one they make available there but not here. Yes, we can add one but why isn’t it on it already from the factory. A reasonable person, even one with a modicum of automotive knowledge, would reasonably believe Jeep would incorporate the alarm system into the hood. That’s been a thing since the 1980’s.

This is especially true where you can spend a few hundred dollars of your own money installing a Tazer or similar and then enable a function that should be “on” from the factory. It is inexcusably lazy, cheap, stupid, and on and on that Jeep doesn’t do that from the factory. Granted the alarm only tells you something is going on but it does something unlike our current situation. Imagine if they implemented locking hood latches, which I believe you’ve bought, and activated the alarm functionality. Jeeps would still get stolen since thieves will continue to steal stuff because they are thieves. But, it would raise the bar ever so slightly to reduce the idiots from being successful. And those two were idiots.

As to the frequency of thefts, there are lots more Kia’s and Hyundais out there than JL’s and Jt’s. So the odds of it occurring are obviously going to be higher. However, the failure of Jeep to make even a slight effort to reduce the ease of theft is grossly negligent on their part. How much do they save in $$ for not turning on a function that is already there? Why not turn it on?

As to owners and fobs, that is another area that manufacturers, across the board, have fallen down on the job. While I have nothing close to your experience in the electronic world, I am reasonably familiar with basic concepts to know that a small amount of effort on the manufacturer’s part would reduce the ease of the relay hacks people have been using for some time now to steal higher end cars. The hacks aren’t a new thing. It’s been happening for quite some time and a Faraday is a great home brew solution but the manufacturers ought to figure that one out.

The fact that OEM’s aren’t doing anything about it is why the UK/EU sees a plethora of high end cars being stolen. The Asian and especially Eastern European / Russian market for Range Rover, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mercedes, etc. is high. It is an organized crime operation, mostly in the Russian mob, with a great deal of money involved. It is going to be extremely difficult for a manufacturer to stop that kind of theft. If push comes to shove they’ll kill you and take it.

But, Jeep can, and should, do a few minor things to make the amateur hour displayed in the video less of an issue. After all the police don’t catch the smart ones.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

First, I am serious. There is no excuse for Jeep not including even a rudimentary level of physical security on these trucks. In fact, the EU market has a requirement for a theft deterrent hood latch which is why Jeep developed one they make available there but not here. Yes, we can add one but why isn’t it on it already from the factory. A reasonable person, even one with a modicum of automotive knowledge, would reasonably believe Jeep would incorporate the alarm system into the hood. That’s been a thing since the 1980’s.

This is especially true where you can spend a few hundred dollars of your own money installing a Tazer or similar and then enable a function that should be “on” from the factory. It is inexcusably lazy, cheap, stupid, and on and on that Jeep doesn’t do that from the factory. Granted the alarm only tells you something is going on but it does something unlike our current situation. Imagine if they implemented locking hood latches, which I believe you’ve bought, and activated the alarm functionality. Jeeps would still get stolen since thieves will continue to steal stuff because they are thieves. But, it would raise the bar ever so slightly to reduce the idiots from being successful. And those two were idiots.

As to the frequency of thefts, there are lots more Kia’s and Hyundais out there than JL’s and Jt’s. So the odds of it occurring are obviously going to be higher. However, the failure of Jeep to make even a slight effort to reduce the ease of theft is grossly negligent on their part. How much do they save in $$ for not turning on a function that is already there? Why not turn it on?

As to owners and fobs, that is another area that manufacturers, across the board, have fallen down on the job. While I have nothing close to your experience in the electronic world, I am reasonably familiar with basic concepts to know that a small amount of effort on the manufacturer’s part would reduce the ease of the relay hacks people have been using for some time now to steal higher end cars. The hacks aren’t a new thing. It’s been happening for quite some time and a Faraday is a great home brew solution but the manufacturers ought to figure that one out.

The fact that OEM’s aren’t doing anything about it is why the UK/EU sees a plethora of high end cars being stolen. The Asian and especially Eastern European / Russian market for Range Rover, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mercedes, etc. is high. It is an organized crime operation, mostly in the Russian mob, with a great deal of money involved. It is going to be extremely difficult for a manufacturer to stop that kind of theft. If push comes to shove they’ll kill you and take it.

But, Jeep can, and should, do a few minor things to make the amateur hour displayed in the video less of an issue. After all the police don’t catch the smart ones.

Most owners of these styles of Jeep vehicles don’t give two fuks about what Europe requires. I‘d bet you’d be one of the first to bitch and moan if Jeep raised the prices $1k+ to add what very few owners actually want or need.

Do what Jeep owners have done since the dawn of Jeeps… if it’s a problem for you, fix it… otherwise be aware of the potential and plan accordingly.

Just quit being a damn feelings hurt Karen about something that you deem is a problem.

 

[Viper501]

Most owners of these styles of Jeep vehicles don’t give two fuks about what Europe requires. I‘d bet you’d be one of the first to bitch and moan if Jeep raised the prices $1k+ to add what very few owners actually want or need.

Do what Jeep owners have done since the dawn of Jeeps… if it’s a problem for you, fix it… otherwise be aware of the potential and plan accordingly.

Just quit being a damn feelings hurt Karen about something that you deem is a problem.

So eloquently put. And you are so incredibly perceptive that I’m so very concerned about the financial intelligence of paying 60k for a rudimentary truck. I’m very glad you can express yourself in a thoughtful and intelligent manner with respect for other people’s opinions.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

So eloquently put. And you are so incredibly perceptive that I’m so very concerned about the financial intelligence of paying 60k for a rudimentary truck. I’m very glad you can express yourself in a thoughtful and intelligent manner with respect for other people’s opinions.

We’re at a tea party? no need for eloquences and pleasantries here…

 

[Mister Lamb]

Like the night the half naked drunk woman was walking around the hood at 3am. playing with herself.

Do you happen to have that footage? For research purposes?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Most owners of these styles of Jeep vehicles don’t give two fuks about what Europe requires. I‘d bet you’d be one of the first to bitch and moan if Jeep raised the prices $1k+ to add what very few owners actually want or need.

Do what Jeep owners have done since the dawn of Jeeps… if it’s a problem for you, fix it… otherwise be aware of the potential and plan accordingly.

Just quit being a damn feelings hurt Karen about something that you deem is a problem.

LOL - I wasn't going to say things quite like that, but - one must consider the MARKET these are aimed at.
We want easy - quick, simple to open hood, no danged alarm blaring each time we open the hood for some reason, and when stuck in the mud or on a rock needing to open the hood to maybe turn the big switch for the winch - you don't want to fumble for a key. I'm GLAD mine doesn't lock.
The 100 Jeep owners who want their hood to lock can add locks.
The EU has also voted to get rid of ICE vehicles, too. This is the USA, not socialist EU. You have to have safety bumpers over there.

A reasonable person, even one with a modicum of automotive knowledge, would reasonably believe Jeep would incorporate the alarm system into the hood. That’s been a thing since the 1980’s.

Gee, I've been an automotive tech since the early 1970s - hood alarms since the 1980s?
Wow, I must have never owned a Mercedes or BMW. Nothing I have ever owned has had such a thing (unless it was maybe a newer Grand Cherokee - I've never tried to pry open the hood with the doors locked. You'd have to break into the Jeep and release the hood)
Other vehicles have inside releases - not everything has an alarm on the hood. I can get around an inside hood release pretty easily.

These are utility vehicles, trucks, and the market research likely shows that the vast majority like them simple. Heck, there's people here wanting to get rid of almost everything electronic in these. You'd piss off more people if you made hood locks mandatory on every one of 'em.
If you want locks, install them.

How much do they save in $$ for not turning on a function that is already there? Why not turn it on?

Because the majority don't care or don't want it on. OPTION. IF you want it, turn it on.

So, you believe it's so very easy to do - what's your idea for securing modern cars and trucks?
Keep in mind - if it was really easy and affordable, it would already be done.
Sure, the BMW 3 Series and Tesla Model S are near impossible - and how much do they cost? And WHO are they aimed at as far as the market? SUV owners? Off-road people? People wanting utility, or people who have a bit more money wanting security and luxury?
If you want an almost theft proof vehicle, go buy a BMW or Tesla and leave the vast majority of Jeep owners alone.
It's not at all a safety thing - so many won't care.

 

[bd100]

Interestingly, I know that my vehicle's hood alarm was enabled when we purchased it from the dealership, but then was disabled when it went in for the axle seal fix. Now I have to bring it in to have it re-enabled again.

I don't know if it was first enabled from the factory, or if the dealership where I bought it new enabled the alarm for their lot.

 

[rharr]

Apologies I know this is off topic, but can you expand on the "not with this CP4 Pump" statement?
Is there something specific about this pump that makes the fuel cutoff a bad idea?

Diesel fuel is used to lubricate the CP4 pump. Cut off the low pressure pump and now you ran the CP4 dry; sending metal into the injectors and a $6k bill.

 

[Viper501]

When your fancy dual battery system walks away while you’re having dinner you might care. When that awesome snorkel gets jacked while you’re asleep in your hotel room you’ll care. When that great underhood compressor goes missing while you’re watching a movie you’ll care. And enjoy the deductible on your insurance. Speaking of insurance enjoy the increase in premiums from a) ease of loss and b) claims made.

I can appreciate some people won’t use locks just like some folks don’t lock their house. But to not provide rudimentary protection from the lower 99th percentile members of our population is inexcusable.

The alarm would obviously not be activated until you locked your truck. Therefore it’s unlikely to squeal at you when you’re out on the trail.

BMW 3s have a price point in many cases equal to what folks are acting for upper end Jeeps.

I do agree most JT/JL buyers, myself included, aren’t buying them for sound financial reasons. I’ve had and driven quite an array of cars and my JT is one of my favorites. It would just be nice if Jeep gave a little more effort on some very simple things.

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