What did you do TO your Gladiator today? [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS, NO GUN TALK]

[THE SANDALORIAN]

Finally had a minute to toss in the new Foxbox speaker box and new sub. The box is super solid and the subwoofer absolutely pounds. No one believes it's a single 10" sub outputting that much bass.

The subwoofer is a Sundown Audio E-10 V.3 dual 2 ohm. It's running at 1 ohm and is temporarily powered by a Sundown Audio SAE 1000D amp (rather large amp so swapping with a Rockford Fosgate Power 750).

P.S. Ignore the speaker wire, it will be properly hidden when the new amp arrives.

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[Hootbro]

That’s what my patent lawyer said too ?

My hat is still off to you for your fab skills. More than I could attempt.

 

[doc-ketamine]

Seriously - start a thread, see how many people here have that Warn solenoid setup, how many have actually USED their winch, then ask - how many have fried that solenoid.

I have that Warn interrupt ... I certainly hope it's more than 175. I hope really hard because when I overloaded my winch trying to pull my fat JTR out of a mud pit, it burned out the 500A fuse located between the solenoid and the battery.

But I can understand why someone might thing 175A. I looked online at the Warn info and on Am'zon and yeah, they toss that number around. One buyer said 450A, one said 100/600/200 carry/make/break .. who knows what the real is.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Wow, 500 amp fuse?

I checked 4 resellers of that part - and all they all did was a copy and paste of what Warn supplied and amperage wasn't included.

I'm curious - what winch do you have?
I've wondered about a fuse - I have a 200 amp for my plow. That is always a really fast, short draw. I'd have to have it wedged against something and hold the button down to force it to draw that much.
I like the fuse holder in that pic.

 

[chorky]

Wow, 500 amp fuse?

I checked 4 resellers of that part - and all they all did was a copy and paste of what Warn supplied and amperage wasn't included.

I'm curious - what winch do you have?
I've wondered about a fuse - I have a 200 amp for my plow. That is always a really fast, short draw. I'd have to have it wedged against something and hold the button down to force it to draw that much.
I like the fuse holder in that pic.

Blue sea block fuses can go up to 300 amps. https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Sys...594-ad11-676c64bd2bee&pd_rd_i=B001AFZL9O&th=1

the genesis kit for the diesel, having the extra battery under the rear seat, uses I believe a 400 or 500 amp fuse - not sure what style it is or who makes it though. That's a heck of a lot of fuse! wouldn't it be easier to just use a couple 6" pieces of 4 ga in parallel as a fuse link?

 

[chorky]

According to Quadratec - who I think actually calls the manufacturer to get answers when they dont have them at the ready - states that the warn interrupt kit solenoid is rated at 450 amps. But for winching that is NOT continuous, so not really sure the length of time it can handle that, maybe 15 seconds??

https://www.quadratec.com/products/92126_0005.htm

This is the same solenoid a lot get from amazon that is listed as a replacement solenoid for the warn interrupt kit. I checked the part numbers months ago and at the time they checked out.
https://www.amazon.com/WARN-63001-R...=&sr=1-1-5985efba-8948-4f09-9122-d605505c9d1e

 

[doc-ketamine]

Wow, 500 amp fuse?
I checked 4 resellers of that part - and all they all did was a copy and paste of what Warn supplied and amperage wasn't included.
I'm curious - what winch do you have?
I've wondered about a fuse - I have a 200 amp for my plow. That is always a really fast, short draw. I'd have to have it wedged against something and hold the button down to force it to draw that much.
I like the fuse holder in that pic.

I have the Harbor Freight Badlands Apex 12000 ... and IIRC correctly it can draw around 485 under load, and load it I did. The belly skid was wedged in mud nose to rear diff, I buried her.

link to the fuses
link to the fuse holder

 

[rharr]

Wow, 500 amp fuse?

I checked 4 resellers of that part - and all they all did was a copy and paste of what Warn supplied and amperage wasn't included.

I'm curious - what winch do you have?
I've wondered about a fuse - I have a 200 amp for my plow. That is always a really fast, short draw. I'd have to have it wedged against something and hold the button down to force it to draw that much.
I like the fuse holder in that pic.

if you need a higher amp fuse but can't find one you can run fuses in parallel and get close to double the max current. aka 2x 250amp = +/-500 amp. Everything being what it is in the real world neither fuses and the conditions are exact mirrors of each other but you can get pretty close if you are in a pinch.

Just be aware if you are looking for exact guarantees of a certain rating then this isn't for you. but if you are working in a margin of error, go for it.

 

[mdyucca]

My points being:
Where did you get that 175 amps stuff? Someone guessing on a forum or a YT video?

Warn has sold hundreds, likely many hundreds of these kits for years - for TRUCK winches. So far, no one is complaining that I've ever seen.

A Ford starter can draw 300 amps easily - and on a 6 volt system, over 400-450 amps and yet the same style solenoid has been used on Fords - going back half a century.

According to PowerMaster - maker of compact performance starters, the starter circuit can pull as many as 500 amps.
Also think of CCA of a battery - why do you need a 600+ CCA battery if the starter isn't going to draw over a couple hundred amps? And that circles back to the Ford starter solenoid, which these winch solenoids are patterned after.

Anyway - would Warn still be selling these as TRUCK winch solenoids if they were only 175 amps? Hardly think they would. And would we not have seen a lot of posts "I fried my winch solenoid today" posts here and on the Wrangler forums if these were only 175 amps?

Seriously - start a thread, see how many people here have that Warn solenoid setup, how many have actually USED their winch, then ask - how many have fried that solenoid.

(Also consider the contact size inside the winch contactor and reversing mechanism, and the fact that winches are not 100% duty cycle)

You have several valid points and good questions. I feel better knowing the actual amperage. I have looked online for information on the Warn supplied solenoid and have not been able to find specifications specifications for it. Perhaps with these posts someone readinwill chime in.

According to Quadratec - who I think actually calls the manufacturer to get answers when they dont have them at the ready - states that the warn interrupt kit solenoid is rated at 450 amps. But for winching that is NOT continuous, so not really sure the length of time it can handle that, maybe 15 seconds??

https://www.quadratec.com/products/92126_0005.htm

This is the same solenoid a lot get from amazon that is listed as a replacement solenoid for the warn interrupt kit. I checked the part numbers months ago and at the time they checked out.
https://www.amazon.com/WARN-63001-Replacement-Solenoid/dp/B000OV4NT4/ref=sxts_rp_s_a_1_0_mod_primary_new?content-id=amzn1.sym.eff26b9b-e255-411b-a40d-eccb21f93fe4:amzn1.sym.eff26b9b-e255-411b-a40d-eccb21f93fe4&cv_ct_cx=warn+interrupt+kit&keywords=warn+interrupt+kit&pd_rd_i=B000OV4NT4&pd_rd_r=142e343a-9f85-4bb6-a333-60ce0741dd00&pd_rd_w=kf2OV&pd_rd_wg=mTPDS&pf_rd_p=eff26b9b-e255-411b-a40d-eccb21f93fe4&pf_rd_r=CJCPXRCWHHESH6RZ6H9M&qid=1677033010&sbo=RZvfv//HxDF+O5021pAnSA==&sr=1-1-5985efba-8948-4f09-9122-d605505c9d1e

Chorky thanks for the info. I feel a bit more comfortable with my Warn interrupt.

 

[chorky]

You have several valid points and good questions. I feel better knowing the actual amperage. I have looked online for information on the Warn supplied solenoid and have not been able to find specifications specifications for it. Perhaps with these posts someone readinwill chime in.

Chorky thanks for the info. I feel a bit more comfortable with my Warn interrupt.

I am assuming you have that one, the 63001? It would probably worth your time to call warn and just ask them directly. Electrical fires are not fun. That's just what I found, but did not see any actual written spec from warn stating those spec's.

 

[mdyucca]

I am assuming you have that one, the 63001? It would probably worth your time to call warn and just ask them directly. Electrical fires are not fun. That's just what I found, but did not see any actual written spec from warn stating those spec's.

I am assuming you have that one, the 63001? It would probably worth your time to call warn and just ask them directly. Electrical fires are not fun. That's just what I found, but did not see any actual written spec from warn stating those spec's.

I have been leery of the solenoid provided in the Warn interrupt kit as it has no markings and Warn provides no specifications for the solenoid. I will contact Warn and see if I can get the specs. Thanks for the info.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

if you need a higher amp fuse but can't find one you can run fuses in parallel and get close to double the max current. aka 2x 250amp = +/-500 amp. Everything being what it is in the real world neither fuses and the conditions are exact mirrors of each other but you can get pretty close if you are in a pinch.

Just be aware if you are looking for exact guarantees of a certain rating then this isn't for you. but if you are working in a margin of error, go for it.

Yup - the way I figure resistors when I don't have exactly what I want in the wattage rating I need.

I am assuming you have that one, the 63001? It would probably worth your time to call warn and just ask them directly. Electrical fires are not fun. That's just what I found, but did not see any actual written spec from warn stating those spec's.

Warn has sold that one for years for their truck winches. Again, if it was so low, (and people on the web love to speculate) then - I'll speculate (HAHA) that we'd see people screaming at the top of their keyboards - DON'T USE THIS! I fried two of them!
Warn is a reputable company. Doubtful they'd link to this setup if it couldn't handle their truck winches.

I have the Harbor Freight Badlands Apex 12000 ... and IIRC correctly it can draw around 485 under load, and load it I did. The belly skid was wedged in mud nose to rear diff, I buried her.

link to the fuses
link to the fuse holder

Mud - it's worse than snow or most other things - there's SUCTION involved. You are pulling more than the weight of the vehicle - you are pulling against the vacuum you create as you pull out of the muck.

I can't recall the number if it was 485 or what, but I do recall my winch COULD draw at least 450 at full load/rating.

So, you have the same solenoid we're talking about from the looks of it, you pulled a hard pull out of knee deep mud and the solenoid held.......... makes me feel good about mine. I never really doubted it much because it's basically a modern version of the Ford starter solenoid and those handled the cranking amps of a 460 cubic inch V8. (rule of thumb, allow 1 amp per cubic inch)

Ah, here we go - right out of the winch manual -

 

[chorky]

oid we're talking about from the looks of it, you pulled a hard pull out of knee deep mud and the solenoid held.......... makes me feel good about mine. I never really doubted it much because it's basically a modern version of t

Oh I agree with you - it's probably just fine. But I think he is doing the right thing by calling Warn just to verify. Trust but verify - has kept me out of a lot of bad situations before. lol

 

[ShadowsPapa]

According to Quadratec - who I think actually calls the manufacturer to get answers when they dont have them at the ready - states that the warn interrupt kit solenoid is rated at 450 amps. But for winching that is NOT continuous, so not really sure the length of time it can handle that, maybe 15 seconds??

https://www.quadratec.com/products/92126_0005.htm

There are continuous ratings and intermittent ratings. What you see advertised on some of the cheap crap on Amazon is the maximum something can take for a surge - but when you look at the duty cycle or continuous load ratings, it's less. So I'm leery of using Amazon text - depends on the seller. If Warn was selling things on Amazon - I'd believe them. But Joe's auto parts (where things are drop shipped from China to your door because they stock nothing), meh, take it with a grain of salt (or ketchup if you prefer)
I see so many misleading things on Amazon - I look to see who the seller is or if I can verify what they say.
Quadratec has a reputation to uphold and if they wish to continue to be authorized sellers of products - they need to behave so they are better sources.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Oh I agree with you - it's probably just fine. But I think he is doing the right thing by calling Warn just to verify. Trust but verify - has kept me out of a lot of bad situations before. lol

Well, it would settle things for sure - and people could refer back to it when it comes up again in another thread next week, then again in two weeks when it comes up again, and so on.

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