Stellantis CEO: Earth Doesn't Have Enough Raw Material to Meet EV Demand

[Sbro2021]

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[dos0711]

Our progressive townsfolk are already organizing against underground carbon sequestration. I think that‘s a new one NUMBY - not under my back yard.

So if they are for it they are GUMBY? Good under my back yard?

 

[Maximus Gladius]

All the lithium is on the dark side of the moon. They should send up a mission to check it out.

 

[Hootbro]

All the lithium is on the dark side of the moon. They should send up a mission to check it out.

That will disturb the Moon NAZI base. We do not want to do that.

 

[Maximus Gladius]

That will disturb the Moon NAZI base. We do not want to do that.

Good point. I was just about to place the call

 

[AustinL911]

That will disturb the Moon NAZI base. We do not want to do that.

Is that where the WEF hangs out when they aren't down here shaming us?

 

[Maximus Gladius]

I reviewed the risk factor with my engineers about this. Thanks to Norm who crossed the floor from FCA. He said landing so close to that base probably wouldn’t be a good idea but rolling down the window and tossing out some flyers and moist towelettes is done all the time and quite normal.

 

[HappyGladiator]

There is a lot about grid ops that many don't even know about and I am not going to explain it here. But, when you apply to much load to the grid the 60 cycle that it must have begins to slow. At that time load must be shed to protect the grid. There just isn't enough spinning reserve to add thousands of chargers at about 40 amps each. No utility will build another SONGS because it's just too many eggs in one basket.
A gas tank, unlike a battery is good for the life of the car.
When EV's are better, the gov't won't have to offer tax brakes to purchase one.
We are in a hot mess, people making policy and laws have no clue of reality and just want control.

 

[bd100]

when you apply to much load to the grid the 60 cycle that it must have begins to slow. At that time load must be shed to protect the grid. There just isn't enough spinning reserve to add thousands of chargers at about 40 amps each

I guess the argument is that solar and wind do not have the "inertia" which spinning generators have. It takes a certain number of actual physically spinning generators (hydro, nat gas, nuke, etc) to maintain the 60 cycles per second. And they have to be in sync. Adding all the wind and solar in the world doesn't help them stay in sync. Only the spinners can do it. If things go out of sync the whole thing has to be reduced to regain sync.

And the enviro crowd doesn't like anyone to add spinners.

 

[Rusty PW]

I guess the argument is that solar and wind do not have the "inertia" which spinning generators have. It takes a certain number of actual physically spinning generators (hydro, nat gas, nuke, etc) to maintain the 60 cycles per second. And they have to be in sync. Adding all the wind and solar in the world doesn't help them stay in sync. Only the spinners can do it. If things go out of sync the whole thing has to be reduced to regain sync.

And the enviro crowd doesn't like anyone to add spinners.

Ever been around when they try to sync a generator to the grid out of phase? It's not a pretty sight. Millions in damages. Was an outside contractor working at an AEP plant in Washington Ohio when they tried that to a 720 MW generator coming out from an outage.

 

[Maximus Gladius]

The answer to this problem-

 

[ecidiego]

The push to EV the vehicle market is so short sited that it is laughable and 100% a western world problem (Africa and large swaths of Asia won't be switching to EV's ever, except for extremely wealthy). I'm in CA and the government (PG&E) can't keep the lights on when it gets hot outside, what's going to happen when 10M cars need to be plugged in, that's a pretty massive draw on the grid.

The US currently will not permit any mining of the necessary materials needed for all the EV batteries, locally. Or where it will be permitted, it is cost prohibitive due to the regulatory nightmare that businesses need to go through to even move the first shovel full of dirt.

Keep your internal combustion vehicles for the long haul. All the pushes to get everything EV'd will keep being moved further into the century.

Agree...but I have 33 480w panels so charge for free with no stress on the grid. East County San Diego.....7 in 12 inch south and west facing roofs....solar goldmine. It's insane. I set my AC to 68 year round ....pay nothing. If you have the sun and roof....do it.

Car...free if electric
HVAC set obscene....free
Water heater...free
Stove and range...free
Spa heater....free
Pool pump and heater...free
Lights...free
Clothes dryer...free


Sure....the system cost me 28k. Pays for itself in 4 years in San Diego. Year 5 thru....???? I pay nothing for electricity. Even at year 25 when my panels are 75% what they were I still have enough.

It's a great feeling to run your AC at 68 for free...a rolling blackout occurs....and your AC keeps running at 68.

 

[Gvsukids]

The answer to this problem-

American Auto had an episode where they backed a battery powered by sand.

 

[Motoarch]

Been hearing about nanotechnology and strides in battery tech for 20 years. Never happens. Ever. Pure hype and vaporware. Ain't gonna happen in the next 50 years.

Hybrids need to be the future.

Huge strides have been happening literally right in front of your eyes (just look at the device you're reading this on).

 

[mpsoldier]

Agree...but I have 33 480w panels so charge for free with no stress on the grid. East County San Diego.....7 in 12 inch south and west facing roofs....solar goldmine. It's insane. I set my AC to 68 year round ....pay nothing. If you have the sun and roof....do it.

Car...free if electric
HVAC set obscene....free
Water heater...free
Stove and range...free
Spa heater....free
Pool pump and heater...free
Lights...free
Clothes dryer...free


Sure....the system cost me 28k. Pays for itself in 4 years in San Diego. Year 5 thru....???? I pay nothing for electricity. Even at year 25 when my panels are 75% what they were I still have enough.

It's a great feeling to run your AC at 68 for free...a rolling blackout occurs....and your AC keeps running at 68.

Does San Diego rely on PG&E or do they have their own electric provider. PG&E has drastically reduced the amount paid back to consumer for energy created above what is used, so my annual true-up bill is still near $600. None of what you say you have is remotely possible for everyone. Evening it were, the Department of Interior is not issuing permits to mine locally sourced rare earth minerals which means reliance on China and more pollution, which environmental groups only seem to care about when it is in the US.

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