Jeep brand turnaround plan announced by Stellantis CEO

[WestwallNF104A]

LFP flipped that script and adoption is growing. They are still more intensive to produce but over a typical lifetime they have a much lower environmental impact.

But I'm done talking about this when it's clear we're all arguing different things. Nobody's mind will be changed.

LFP hasn't flipped the script because the toxicity is an integral part of the battery, AND motor construction.

Add in it isn't just lithium you are mining, but other rare earth's like samarium, and cadmium, lanthanum, scandium and ytrium. All of those are necessary.

My house battery for my truck is a 270amp hour LFP made by Battleborn batteries. It's awesome! But I realize that when it reaches the end of its life I have some toxic waste I will have to deal with.

Hopefully the recycling technology will be more advanced by that time.

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[Gvsukids]

But I'm done talking about this when it's clear we're all arguing different things. Nobody's mind will be changed.

At least we still have the opportunity for civil discourse.

 

[Mister Lamb]

First time I hear about Sinn. Just took a look and I liked what I saw. The 356 Pilot Classic Anniversary is very nice.

I'll never buy a more expensive brand again because the technologies Sinn utilizes blow the $10k watches out of the water.

https://www.sinn.de/en/sinn-technologies/

 

[gonemad]

Watches you say...

Amazon. $25
When the battery dies I’ll order another one. Keeps perfect time.

 

[Mad Mac]

Recommend luxury watch mavens
and horology enthusiasts
start a separate thread on this forum
or find your group on the NAWCC.

Pagani homage to the Rolex GMT.

 

[TinMan2020]

There are reports out that the UAW is about to go on strike again. Specifically in Stellantis plants. It seems to be over the manufacturer, not upholding promises to keep plants open and opening new plants. These were plans outlined in the new contract that was signed a few months ago to end the prior strike.

 

[BourbonRunner]

Sales are way off and with sales all things are fixed.

Massive inflation, high interest to slow it, decreasing purchasing power and income growth being outpaced dramatically by the inflation is really hurting sales in many sectors across the board. Big ticket items like cars and houses are inherently tied to the political world so they get more ink.

The UAW leadership under Fain is parasitic and if they aren't too careful they could kill the host. Slowing production is a belt tightening maneuver to ensure the company doesn't go further in the red. If they're slowing production, they're not going to keep a plant operational more than is absolutely necessary. And building new plants- to make what again? They can't sell what they are building as is. And what they are building is wracked with recalls and TSBs.

 

[jjs3845]

I personally enjoy seeing all of these corporations (not just automobiles) who've been gouging their customers since the pandemic, suffer. A lot of them really should be left to go under with a big middle finger from consumers. I've stopped spending my money at quite a few places over the last 4 years and don't miss a one.

I like this truck, but it has quality issues, Jeep dealerships truly suck more than any I've ever experienced, and their prices are too high. I hope it can survive, but if not, someone competent will eventually buy the Jeep brand and make it better.

Everyone seems to be in the same situation no matter what you own. I also have a 24 Tundra Hybrid. Over in the Tundra forum, half of them are pissed about the fit and finish, wind noise, etc.. The other half are convinced their engine is about to fail tomorrow or the hybrid system is going to fail (if you don't know, Toyota issued a recall on a lot of Tundra's and are replacing the engines).

My only beef with Stellantis is if you have an issue, either the dealers couldn't care less, or if they actually want to help they get no support from Stellantis where Toyota goes the extra mile to help (at least its been my experience).

Most if not all of the Stellantis dealers in my area are terrible.

 

[Firebird]

Everyone seems to be in the same situation no matter what you own. I also have a 24 Tundra Hybrid. Over in the Tundra forum, half of them are pissed about the fit and finish, wind noise, etc.. The other half are convinced their engine is about to fail tomorrow or the hybrid system is going to fail (if you don't know, Toyota issued a recall on a lot of Tundra's and are replacing the engines).

My only beef with Stellantis is if you have an issue, either the dealers couldn't care less, or if they actually want to help they get no support from Stellantis where Toyota goes the extra mile to help (at least its been my experience).

Most if not all of the Stellantis dealers in my area are terrible.

I'm very fortunate to have a fairly decent dealer, they have always taken good care of any issues I've had.

 

[Hamandcamo]

For me personally, the only redeeming qualities of the gladiator:

- there was a simple model that had dana 44's
- 4x4
- there was a model with little or no tech that I won't need to upgrade every 3 years. There's nothing really impressive about modern infotainments/technical packages in most cars imo. They'll all look dated after five years.
- brake lock lsd until I can upgrade to a locker
- there was a manual
- there was a drivetrain that's been tested
- it was cheaper than the tacoma
- I could directly bolt on most of what makes a rubicon a rubicon
- aftermarket support
- Jeep tends to make their vehicles for 10 ish years and there's plenty of parts in the future
- it seemed as simple as a 90s truck (regular sport)
- steelies from the factory (that are lighter than most aluminum rims)
- doors off/roof off is nice

So they've basically made most of these points moot. Never was a jeep guy, but the basic jl's and jt's are great. Some of these decisions seem intentionally destructive, as if they're European execs are salty at how poorly their imported euro models performed (shocker lol). At this point, I'd like to see Jeep/Dodge/Ram sold off to someone with execs that were a little more competent.

 

[Redfour5]

Here in Australia at least, recently there's been a $20k price drop on some models.

My 2022 Gladiator is now worth $20k less and that means my car loan repayment is way out of whack in that my insured market value in the event of a writeoff is such that im out of pocket the difference by $20k.

I'm pretty pissed off at the stupidity of Jeep marketing team.

Do they not understand how bad their decision to draatically drop the new vehicle price was for existing owners? Our cars are almost worthless.

My $95k aud Gladiator new price is now $70k...given I've got 50k km on the clock, my second hand value is probably $35-40k.
I owe more than double that on the car loan when interest is also considered.

Why cant the powers that be just realise people don't buy their cars because they have lost touch with what customers want? We don't necessarily want cheap, we want an appropriate platform for purpose.

If people aren't buying its because the opposition have a better more reliable product!

For example, who was the moron who figured a 392 is great in a wrangler, but not in a Gladiator?

Why put a 5.7 in. RAM 1500, but not in a Gladiator?

Why export Wranlgers to a nation with right hand drive and not fix the rhs footwell problem? It's too narrow and drivers left foot is almost underneath brake pedal. If wearing boots, foot gets jammed under the brake pedal preventing full brake application. What f#$king designer nucklehead missed that and continues to ignore the dangers of it?

Why export a car to another country with right hand drive with no diesel option? Apparently the diesel can't go into right hand drive is the answer! I say, so redesign it so it does.

The PCM is a joke...mine adaptive cruise control is so slow to respond its clearly not a powerful enough central processor driving the board.

The transmission programming is also a flaming joke...if left to its own device on cruise control, it's late in responding to a need to kick back gears that it loads the engine up so much it labours, then jumps back 2 gears, screaming it's head off, then eventually realises the mistake and changes up into what should have been just a 1 gear kick back in the first place! It does this every bloody time!

Last but not least...shit mechanics. Its like every Jeep dealership is the same...full of absolutely incompetent mechanics.

My car is on its 3rd transmission, is about to get a brand new engine (install booked for week after next) all because shit mechanics can't do their job properly and irreparably damaged the old ones fixing minor problems. (Leaving breather off top of transmission, failing to diagnose a failed pcv for 20k km despite my complaints about constant predetonation. Not changing O2 sensors after removing both heads to decarbon the cylinders, now they think the pcv failure being left undiagnosed for so long has stuffed the CAT on rhs...the engine has had 4 rhs upper and lower O2 sensor since january this year...the two that were installed 4 days ago are now throwing error codes again, so now it will be 6 o2 sensors, the motor has the pentatstar tick on rhs...its endless)

I could go on for hours. The fact is, people don't buy Jeep because they are simply not up to standard or in touch with what people want and they are incapable of servicing their own vehicles properly.

" My 2022 Gladiator is now worth $20k less and that means my car loan repayment is way out of whack in that my insured market value in the event of a writeoff is such that im out of pocket the difference by $20k. "

In the US, we call that "upside down." It is a common phenomena. What? Does Jeep send you all the production line rejects? Did you do something to piss off the Italians? Their CEO has to go or at least hire somebody who understands other country Markets. We want "substance" not the form associated with Fix It Again Tony (FIAT).

 

[Redfour5]

For me personally, the only redeeming qualities of the gladiator:

- there was a simple model that had dana 44's
- 4x4
- there was a model with little or no tech that I won't need to upgrade every 3 years. There's nothing really impressive about modern infotainments/technical packages in most cars imo. They'll all look dated after five years.
- brake lock lsd until I can upgrade to a locker
- there was a manual
- there was a drivetrain that's been tested
- it was cheaper than the tacoma
- I could directly bolt on most of what makes a rubicon a rubicon
- aftermarket support
- Jeep tends to make their vehicles for 10 ish years and there's plenty of parts in the future
- it seemed as simple as a 90s truck (regular sport)
- steelies from the factory (that are lighter than most aluminum rims)
- doors off/roof off is nice

So they've basically made most of these points moot. Never was a jeep guy, but the basic jl's and jt's are great. Some of these decisions seem intentionally destructive, as if they're European execs are salty at how poorly their imported euro models performed (shocker lol). At this point, I'd like to see Jeep/Dodge/Ram sold off to someone with execs that were a little more competent.

The Dodge Family wanted to buy some of it...what Dumb Azz Stellantis CEO threatened to get rid of in a fit of pique when his bad decisions began to come back and haunt him... and as a start and he in his characteristically Italian way got offended... H'e reminds me of someone and does NOT suffer from a lack of ego based upon nothing.

 

[Mad Mac]

I think I mentioned this before
but I like telling it...

In 1971
when I was stationed in West Germany
I bought a used Fiat 850 "Limousine"
that had been Abarth hot rodded
by the previous owner.

If someone had told me then
that one day Fiat would own Jeep
I would have told them
to ease off on the LSD.

 

[HAMP]

$70k+ in warranty repairs, $10k+ rentals, and I am still $3k out of pocket. They still won't buy the truck back lmao.

I had a 2015 3500 Laramie that I traded in for my JT. It had 139000mi and was fully deleted, tuned, secondary fuel pump, and over injectors. only problem (re-occurring) it ever had was the Aisin 5sp auto was blowing pan gaskets from back pressure due to power output from motor, mind you Trans was built stage 3 with a shift kit by DieselSellerz (Highly reputable). 5 times it was in the nearest dealer shop getting a new pan gasket put on. Dealer and several Trans shops told me there is no way to avoid that with any Ram transmissions if you want more power.

At the time the JT was announced/released, the Colorado's gas V6 was 308/275, the V6 Tacoma 278/265, the Ranger 270/310, the V6 Frontier 261/281, and the Ridgeline 280/262. With 285/260, the JT was very competitive at the time.

Problem is, as you point out everyone else has caught up or surpassed, while Stellantis sat idly by (and funneled Jeep revenues to help their European divisions).

Keep in mind, though, that the Colorado, Tacoma, and Ranger are all now turbo I4 engines.

Aren't most jeep models headed that way as well?

 

[Mad Mac]

That's pretty funny considering that was the design for the first 40 something years. IMO, I think the new grille design does a great job modernizing the front end of the current gen Jeeps.

Here is the point I was trying to make.

All the previous jeeps had a face
with headlight and grille openings
defined by the body color.

The new face has a body colored shell
surrounding a single opening
with headlights and grill openings embedded in it
that are not defined by body color.

Now, a body color matched grill
merely includes the shell
and not the trademark bars within it.
The iconic Jeep face is lost.

In my opinion
it is a marketing decision blunder
on the scale of
when Coca Cola introduced New Coke.

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