Hmm, this is an interesting solution. No More Dry Starts

[ATL_Rubi]

Paging anyone who has experience w/ the valvetrain on our engines. Would this work long term? Negatives?

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[ShadowsPapa]

Paging anyone who has experience w/ the valvetrain on our engines. Would this work long term? Negatives?

I fail to understand how it's any different on the 3.6 from almost any other engine......... didn't need to watch the video........ may later but really, 13 minutes?
Why would the 3.6 be different? (especially since they come factory with a high volume pump)
And the 2nd gen oil filter drains back when you pull it apart, not when you shut the engine off if I understand their oil system documentation correctly.

A solution looking for a problem?

 

[Renegade]

Having just completed a 5th Pentastar “tick” repair on the 4th different Jeep in the past 5 years, this is interesting to me. It seems like it is trying to capitalize on a problem, but it’s not a proven solution. I guess time might tell, but I’m doubtful we will ever find out.

 

[whysoserious]

I fail to understand how it's any different on the 3.6 from almost any other engine......... didn't need to watch the video........ may later but really, 13 minutes?
Why would the 3.6 be different? (especially since they come factory with a high volume pump)
And the 2nd gen oil filter drains back when you pull it apart, not when you shut the engine off if I understand their oil system documentation correctly.

A solution looking for a problem?

I fail to understand how it's any different on the 3.6 from almost any other engine......... didn't need to watch the video........ may later but really, 13 minutes?
Why would the 3.6 be different? (especially since they come factory with a high volume pump)
And the 2nd gen oil filter drains back when you pull it apart, not when you shut the engine off if I understand their oil system documentation correctly.

A solution looking for a problem?

Per the manufacturer, the filter housing and cooler completely drain back in about 35 minutes.

What's stopping the oil in the housing from draining back out the inlet? It's a mechanical oil pump? Are the pump tolerances tight enough to keep the oil from passing back through to the pan? Or is there a check valve in the oil pump?

 

[Charles 236]

No advantage to be gained in my professional opinion (I have repaired hundreds of 3.6 Pentastar engines over the past twelve years). No oil filter drain back valve is completely effective, all will allow some drain back. In addition, the Pentastar oil pump has a very high volume and produces plenty of pressure, even at hot startup and idle.

 

[whysoserious]

No advantage to be gained in my professional opinion (I have repaired hundreds of 3.6 Pentastar engines over the past twelve years). No oil filter drain back valve is completely effective, all will allow some drain back. In addition, the Pentastar oil pump has a very high volume and produces plenty of pressure, even at hot startup and idle.

Have you seen this product before? Do you know someone or a customer who has installed it? Are you saying the check valve is no good?

 

[Charles 236]

I am doubtful that a check valve will make a useful difference in the oiling of the engine at startup. The oiling system is pretty good in the Pentastar, and I see no reason to modify it.

 

[Hootbro]

I do not understand how 1.5 quarts is retained in the upper part of the engine unless there is a different pressure vacuum holding the oil up in the housing? At most I see just what is being retained by the can type oil filter ADBV and that is no where near 1.5 quarts.

For all the cam and valvetrain issues that have popped up over the years sporadically, none of that has been attributed to actual lack of oiling issues. In my opinion, there is enough oil film retention on most parts that the 3.5 seconds it takes to come to full pressure really is not an issue for most who daily a vehicle. If it sits for weeks or months on end, then maybe of benefit.

On the surface I like the concept of it and probably would entertain the idea of it solely for the preference of a can filter over a cartridge but that is really not overcoming any engineering deficit of a cartridge filter type.

To me though, it is kind of like the Fumoto Valve in that if you decide to use one, need to be committed to doing your own oil changes almost 100% as any dealer, independent or quick-lube place you present that to is going to be like training a house cat to do long division math, a waste of everybody's time. Especially with the 30 PSI de-prime procedure.

Lastly is the rough math to break even. Given the cheaper delta of the WIX can filter over a MOPAR cartridge filer at about a $5 savings give or take, still looking at roughly 20 or so oil filter changes before breaking even on the cost of this Baxter system.

 

[Mad Mac]

In the meantime, park pointed uphill.

Oil drains in the cylinder head are usually at the front
to avoid oil starvation when climbing a grade
or on hard acceleration.

Parking pointed downhill allows the oil to drain
leaving the valve train dry.
Thus, the ticking noise when starting
until the engine runs long enough
to pump oil back into the cylinder head.

Parking pointed uphill
(most driveways are sloped uphill
from the street to the garage)
preserves some oil in the cylinder head
to anoint the valve train on start up
which should eliminate ticking when starting.

But I could be wrong. I often am.
Doesn't cost anything to try it.

 

[Mad Mac]

One good tip in the video was the dry start up.
That is a good idea after an oil change.
Back in the day, I would pull the high tension lead
to the distributor.

For you youngsters out there, a distributor...
never mind.

 

[willys 41]

I have the Baxter system on both my 3.6 jeeps
I was skeptical at first put after talking to Joe at 4x4 shop in Livermore telling me he has installed dozens of them. I decided to give it a try
I first put one on my Rubicon and was so impressed I immediately decided to put one on my Willys
The Baxter has a anti drain check valve built in put what most people don't realize that the oil filter that you will now be using also has a silicone anti drain back valving keeping more oil in filter and the upper part of the motor after shutting down
This is not new . Oil filters have had anti drain back valving for 60 , 70 years
Why the 3.6 does not have a anti drain back valve. I have no idea
I am so old I remember using toilet paper rolls for oil filters many many years ago

 

[Lunentucker]

Paging anyone who has experience w/ the valvetrain on our engines. Would this work long term? Negatives?

Beyond the stated benefits, having that adapter locked into the housing permanently, and moving the service to the traditional spin on is very appealing to me. I've already bookmarked two or three aluminum assemblies for if/when the plastic takes the dump.

 

[willys 41]

Not necessary to replace the oil cooler when installing the Baxter put a good Idea
Looks like Mishimoto makes a good one

https://www.mishimoto.com/aluminum-...se+MMOFH-JK-12&UID=61297861060&MID=6000872766

 

[JarHeadLV]

I watched that video last night on Youtube! Thought it was interesting.

 

[@californiajeeping]

It makes sense. when your motor turns off at a stop for ESS hot thin oil is immediately draining down to the sump. Then it fires up and has to fill the holes. Its not really a dry start as the oil is still clinging to metal parts?

I want one for my diesel. The filter cap housing is sketchy to tighten (hard threads the entire way).

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