Sinister Diesel fined ONE MILLION DOLLARS

[Rusty PW]

Unless it is an increase of 10-20% over an insignificant amount, which would still be insignificant. I don't know if 3.6g/bhp-hr is a lot or a little or makes any difference whatsoever to the environment.

I wish I could trust the EPA to be truthful about the science but if they weren't always coming up with new crises to make new rules for, they'd be out of a job. If it was totally up to them, they'd mandate tailpipe emissions to be cleaner than the air drawn in. Maybe that will become the rule for electric cars, they'll all have to filter a specific volume of air per mile.

At the power plant. Our discharge water had to be cleaner than the water we brought in from the river. Believe me, it was a lot cleaner.

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[Stan H]

A while back there was controversy on whether the diesel emissions equipment was better or worse for the environment. The question was whether smaller particles of ash that do not quickly settle to the ground are better or worse for people than larger particles of soot that settle quickly. I have no idea what the truth is there.

Personally, I'm not against diesel emissions equipment EXCEPT for the EPA mandate that the vehicle must go into limp-home mode or no longer start and run if something goes wrong with the equipment, even if it is perfectly capable of running normally and getting you home where you can fix it. The risk of getting stranded far from home because of an EPA mandate, not a critical mechanical failure, puts a burr under my saddle. And with backordered parts being the norm, it could be weeks or months until you are running again.

I stand by my rewrite. I am 100% against rolling coal douche nozzles, my truck has all its emissions equipment, and I fully understand the woes of those that need their diesels to be reliable and long lasting.

I personally don't think it's anyone's worry except the guy that owns said truck. EPA poking it's nose in other people's Business. How do you feel about the EPA sayyou can't catch rainwater ? Etc...

 

[AmishMike]

The problem, as I see it, is that these shops generally use a blanket tune. You get a level 1, or 2, or 3....
If someone were willing to get a personal tune that matched their actual needs, I am sure that any particular vehicle can be made more efficient, thereby producing more power and less waste/emissions in the range of actual usage.
Every engine/system is manufactured to within spec.. There are still a ton of variables. Take that same engine, properly balance the assembly, even out flow rates, set the plugs etc. and you will get a boost in power and reliability. Just turning up the fuel does not do that.
It is cheaper and makes the EPA happier to add power robbing systems to 'clean' the air than to tighten manufacturing tolerances for efficiency.

 

[Badunit]

10-20% fuel economy for at least 8 times the pollution is what I meant vs a 2017+ truck.

My mistake. I totally misquoted you. Same idea, though: 8 times an insignificant amount may still be insignificant. Or 8 times of something that doesn't matter still doesn't matter. I don't know whether NOx matters or not.

 

[UM_Ftown]

Cheat the emissions system and pay, seems easy to me? There’s plenty of EPA compliant tunes out there for the companies that do the hard work and testing.

 

[Sting-Gray Neutral Pres.]

As someone who drives a diesel and has an interest in responsible performance tunes, I have absolutely no problem with coal-rolling and the brodozer-enabling companies getting reigned in. If you don't think it's a problem, you probably don't live in a place it's a problem; I do. In certain areas it is a big fad/statement to lift your ~7 liter diesel truck, delete it, add a high-fuel tune, and then make that your daily commuter. These aren't farm trucks, these things are literally dropping their kids off at my kids' elementary school with their pumpkin shooter exhaust pointing right at children's head level as they walk into school, with the many kids sometimes pinching their noses or holding their breath to make it past the offender(s). The cabin dust filter on most cars won't stop the VOCs/SVOCs so they are a delight to be behind at a traffic light. And if you ever ride a bike or walk on the side of a road hooo boy are you in for a respiratory treat when one goes by (fortunately you can also hear them coming from a 1/2 mile off).

The many people that now choose to do this are a pox on local communities and the EPA is responding in kind (to countless complaints I'm sure). If there is a trickle-down effect of regulatory enforcement to the "better" side of the tuning/car community, you have deleters in general and coal rollers specifically to thank for ruining it for everyone else.

 

[ezekio3160]

Don’t forget fossil fuels save lives.

 

[CrazyCooter]

We're all people who like to modify our vehicles. Celebrating any aftermarket company that gets punished for doing just that is anathema to what we like to do

We need to stick together before it's all illegal

Always fight government overreach, always fight to be able to do to your possessions what you want to do to them

I haven't read the entire Clean Air Act, but at what point do they bust us or anyone for "Tampering" with an approved powertrain package?

Light bar, tires, wheels, gears, winch, top, rack, tent, or just anything that adds weight, wind drag, load, or otherwise reduces fuel economy could possibly be argued against the act? I'm in the aftermarket business and wonder if the EPA will come knocking on my door when they run out of the easy score diesel/performance shops to bust? By then I'll be retired, but will they still prosecute?

As leadership changes over to the following generations, the policies will just become that much more liberal and unconstitutional judging by what we are already seeing. People are just handing/voting away their rights just to have an easier life? Were already seeing is inside of these government organizations where the people in upper positions promote their own minded people to carry on the torch and finish to work.

Here in CA, people are already suing like crazy for any project they don't want using the "California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA)" as the weapon. Semi locally when Newscum announced closing the high desert prison, the people in that area used the act because they knew the prison employment is a HUGE part of the economy and could finish the town. That's NOT what the act was written for, yet people will twist it and tie things up in court for decades!

Maybe not worry too much since we are circling the toilet bowl anyway (In CA were in the sewer pipe on the way to the septic tank already).

 

[MF Comics]

Time to get rid of the EPA and remove everything rule and reg they ever created

 

[CrazyCooter]

Time to get rid of the EPA and remove everything rule and reg they ever created

I'm not for that either.......We just need some way to keep things in check becuse I really feel the system is WAY out of balance.

 

[MF Comics]

I'm not for that either.......We just need some way to keep things in check becuse I really feel the system is WAY out of balance.

Current regime wants us all in EV’s and would force it upon us if they legally could

hopefully a future regime returns us to common sense and sanity, while tampering down all this bullshit

 

[sharpsicle]

Current regime wants us all in EV’s and would force it upon us if they legally could

hopefully a future regime returns us to common sense and sanity, while tampering down all this bullshit

Dude, give it a rest. We get it, you don't like EVs. This has nothing to do with them. This is a fine against a company that sold products that knowingly and intentionally allowed diesel owners to spew massive amounts of soot and noxious gases that otherwise would be controlled and mitigated. This is not a fine against a company because they're not EV enough.

 

[MF Comics]

Dude, give it a rest. This is a fine against a company that sold products that allowed diesel owners to spew massive amounts of soot and noxious gases that otherwise would be controlled and mitigated. This is not a fine against a company because they're not EV enough.

Talking the end goal. If dieselgate happened 2-3yrs later, it wouldnt have been a death knell but a fine at most

also who’s truly harmed by Coal rolling vs radiation from EV’s and their spontaneous combustion

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

Time to get rid of the EPA and remove everything rule and reg they ever created

I'm not for that either.......We just need some way to keep things in check becuse I really feel the system is WAY out of balance.

They need to go back to monitoring power plants and means testing emissions regulations but these little bureaucracies grow and grow and consume more and more until they're doing tyrannical shit like this.

One one hand I think it's impressive I can be next to the tailpipe of my diesel and the exhaust is barely detectable, and having grown up in a metropolitan city in the 70s I still remember choking from exhaust, but the bureaucracy is way too big and its "victims" are way too small.

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

Talking the end goal. If dieselgate happened 2-3yrs later, it wouldnt have been a death knell but a fine at most

also who’s truly harmed by Coal rolling vs radiation from EV’s and their spontaneous combustion

…?

Anyone who comes in contact with the Neanderthal who is rolling coal is harmed. You’ll notice that clean air….isn’t black.

Last time I checked EV’s weren’t running off plutonium…

I’ve never understood the appeal of rolling coal. Like, congrats…your vehicle is running inefficiently?

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