Is an EV Gladiator Better Off-Road Than a Traditional Gas Jeep - Let's Find Out! [TFL]

[tysongladiator]

LOL, you know how stuff like this goes.
The original question is pretty much moot. same truck different power plant. it all comes down to set up and driver. The fun part is where the conversation really went.

Yep. I totally agree. I know. Went offtrack quickly! ?

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[MF Comics]

Yep. I totally agree. I know. Went offtrack quickly! ?

Its all part of the fun

 

[tysongladiator]

Its all part of the fun

Oh, of course! Makes it that much more interesting. And... get a few laughs.

 

[Iam_Gladiator]

Most fire extinguishers will put out a gas fire. Yet EV batteries will randomly catch fire again. At one point iphones and Samsung phones were banned from airplanes. The batteries are unstable and can cause a lot of problems. EV vehicles are a great idea, but until someone comes out with a better battery option they are horrible in every way.

I don’t agree with that, if you have a vehicle fire with any portion of the fuel system , good luck putting that out with a standard ABC fire extinguisher. The diesels have a much lower flash point than the petrol variants and they have caught on fire. If your ever in a situation like that, you SOL! Just pray and spray at that moment

 

[Iam_Gladiator]

I am pretty informed with EVs and based my own opinions on them. I don't go with the hype and look at real world use. Besides looking Hippie cool or a daily commuter that's all they are good for at the moment.They do not perform in high heat or cold weather, range varies too much based on load, towing capacity is great to get across the parking lot. The batteries get memory when not properly maintained and the cost to replace you might as well buy a new car. To get any range for a semi the batteries weigh so much by time you hook up to a trailer you will exceed all bridges in the USA. The way lithium is mined is horrible and the amount of lithium we have will be gone in 5 years. So tell me again how I need to do more research? EV as of right now needs to stay with cars, they are great for in town commuting and that is it. UNTIL they come out newer battery technology they will just be a gimmick.

This is one area where the battery tech has not seen real evolution at least for 30 years or more (see the issue with LK99). How do you get more range out of a battery and how did you do so with out stressing the thermal parameters? These are things going forward that I hope the industry is looking to figure out and improve, but, let me honest TVs are here and they’re more likely here to stay. So the real question more or less belongs to each individual what is it that they need out of their vehicle? What are the cost benefits and cons? If you tell a lot and you don’t have a good net work for EV charging, well maybe EVs aren’t for you. If your commute is well within range of a EV mileage range? That might be a selling point, there are numerous things to consider for most people, but this is going to vary based on what people do when you use these vehicles for and how long they keep them.
There are many facts to consider, and I believe in being informed, but at the end of the day, everyone has to take a look at themselves and see what makes sense for them, and then outside of themselves.

 

[Jteakus]

I am in oil production. Our company and many just like ours get no subsidies from the government(s) only taxes, regulations and fines for EVERYTHING.

Does a 4xe really get 49 mpg on 37's? Will it do that headed from Amarillo to Alburquerque while running 75 mph?

 

[Viper501]

strip away the cvt, … don't need fancy parts (Aero/cvt) to deliver the mileage,

Goes back to my dieselgate argument, where had it been a different regime in charge, we'd still be driving them instead of all this battery talk. Hell, once they figure out the cooling issues on the 3.0d and you delete the emissions crap, it should be fine.

All CVT’s should be stripped away. Much like EV tech, a grand utopian concept that goes where grand utopian concepts go when they meet the real world.

Urban US drivers may be just fine with an EV, presuming it does not burn you and your home to a crisp, but ’normal’ folks who drive to see things, do things, work on things, visit things, etc., cannot reasonably rely on them currently (pun intended). The range issue is a huge problem, they are enormously expensive to buy versus ICE, they are stupid expensive to repair when they get past the battery life, and all the tech toys inside do not get you to your job if the battery is dead.

As MF Comics noted in prior posts, the biggest problem is that *our* government and the EUees have made a policy decision to force a round peg into a square hole. Other, much larger, portions of the world, with significantly higher populations, could not care less about that and will continue with their status quo and laugh at us as we start riding skateboards when our grid gets completely overwhelmed.

 

[ecidiego]

I don't want an EV Jeep but I sure as hell love me the Tesla 3. Charges for free ( owned 14.4kW solar ), and have been saving $700/mo on fuel... .3 kids... 3 schools.... 6 sports etc....

There is certainly a use case.

 

[MF Comics]

All CVT’s should be stripped away. Much like EV tech, a grand utopian concept that goes where grand utopian concepts go when they meet the real world.

Urban US drivers may be just fine with an EV, presuming it does not burn you and your home to a crisp, but ’normal’ folks who drive to see things, do things, work on things, visit things, etc., cannot reasonably rely on them currently (pun intended). The range issue is a huge problem, they are enormously expensive to buy versus ICE, they are stupid expensive to repair when they get past the battery life, and all the tech toys inside do not get you to your job if the battery is dead.

As MF Comics noted in prior posts, the biggest problem is that *our* government and the EUees have made a policy decision to force a round peg into a square hole. Other, much larger, portions of the world, with significantly higher populations, could not care less about that and will continue with their status quo and laugh at us as we start riding skateboards when our grid gets completely overwhelmed.

last week I went on a 4 and half hour, 270ish mile trip to Syracuse for work with my family (demolition company), which included a half hour detour somewhere else. Cousin filled his Ram 1500 Hemi up while in Jersey, and leaving to head back, he filled up once again, that was it.

If he drove as far and as fast as he did in an EV, we’d get there probably after midnight and be eyeing the range the whole time. Here, we just drove with our only concern being where to get dinner.

Govt’s only role should be keeping us safe and delivering the mail. This article also aligns with what you and I said about the govt, and as I keep saying, a regime change towards the other party would effectively kill this push and restore sanity.

If shit were organic, then cool, is what it is, but being so blatantly heavy handed and stuff, I got a problem with it

 

[Hootbro]

Charges for free ( owned 14.4kW solar ), and have been saving $700/mo on fuel...

 

[MF Comics]

I don't want an EV Jeep but I sure as hell love me the Tesla 3. Charges for free ( owned 14.4kW solar ), and have been saving $700/mo on fuel... .3 kids... 3 schools.... 6 sports etc....

There is certainly a use case.

Now, don’t misconstrue me, but seeing you’re from San Diego makes sense, being a more city and suburbs.

you are amongst the demographic that would benefit from an EV (assuming it doesn’t spontaneously combust in your driveway/garage)

as pointed out, problem with EV’s is the heavy handed pushing, like its June all year round

 

[ecidiego]

Now, don’t misconstrue me, but seeing you’re from San Diego makes sense, being a more city and suburbs.

you are amongst the demographic that would benefit from an EV (assuming it doesn’t spontaneously combust in your driveway/garage)

as pointed out, problem with EV’s is the heavy handed pushing, like its June all year round

I installed the charger on a post next to a Keystone Standard retaining wall. It charges in the driveway 20' from the nearest structure. Definitely didn't want it in the garage...

I live in East County too - South and West facing full sun 7 in 12 roof - definitely "the" use case.

 

[Viper501]

I don't want an EV Jeep but I sure as hell love me the Tesla 3. Charges for free ( owned 14.4kW solar ), and have been saving $700/mo on fuel... .3 kids... 3 schools.... 6 sports etc....

There is certainly a use case.

How much did you pay for your panels?

 

[Viper501]

That’s really pretty rhetorical.

 

[ecidiego]

How much did you pay for your panels?

$28k after rebates. Savings already paid for them. Not joking. Like $8k in fuel per year, A/C is $700/mo June thru October throughout the Santa Ana season. It's been 4 years.

Fuel and electrical offset are around $14k/year. Everything they produce is free until their efficiency dies off to the point I can't offset.

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