Confirmed: Gladiator 4xe coming in 2025. JT Gladiator production continues into 2028

[legacy_etu]

All this gum flapping about BEVs, PHEVs and Pentastars but no mention of the Hurricane? I was really hoping they'd ditch the Pentastar for that already.

Exactly! All the money they've invested in this new engine and they're taking their sweet ass time rolling it out. Seems they'd want to roll it out quickly to recoup some of that investment. I know, I know, there's space constraints.....it should be at a minimum getting installed in the GC. That platform could Definitely use it too.

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[Geoarch]

Nice!!! I'm starting to buy in to the battery operated stuff. We are about to trade our BMW X5 50 for a Tesla Model 3 or Model S performance. After driving a Model 3 performance for 3 days I gotta say they are a joy to drive. My neighbor has a model 3 long range and it cost him around $43 a month to charge it at home and that gets him 300+ miles of driving each times he charges it. He drives around 1200 miles a month. He said it beats the $200 plus he was spending on his Mercedes E350 to drive the same distance. Wish they would make an all electric Gladiator instead of a Hybrid one.

We have a RAV4 Prime PHEV and love it. With 6+ kw of rooftop solar our drives around town are energized from the sun.

 

[Geoarch]

I'm not anti EV, I'm just pro clutch pedal and shifter. If Honda can make a traditional hybrid with a manual transmission, I'm sure Stellantis can figure out a PHEV manual. Maybe use the crawler gear position (below reverse) as a battery only "gear"? I don't know, I'm not an automotive engineer. But until they figure that out or I have no choice, I'm not giving up my shifter.

Happy the slushbox crowd has a more powerful option than the 3.6 coming though, just won't be for me.

With a decent clutch hopefully.

 

[Geoarch]

I'll pass on any sort of EV. It takes what to mine it? Diesel power, and electricity from the grid to manufacturer it. It's horrible for the environment. It also takes (clean burning coal) cough cough ? to run electric plants which then have to be used to process. If a leach pond breaks absolutely everything is destroyed in the vicinity.
https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/lithium-ion-battery-environmental-impact/
Really good article
Edit: Not to mention that it takes electricity to also charge these EV batteries and where does that come from? Fossil fuels? It obviously doesn't come from all solar farms. Plus it takes up to 40 minutes to make a battery charged up to 80% I think I was told.

Sorry, we charge our PHEV with 6+ kw rooftop solar.

 

[Geoarch]

I'm so excited! Guess that means I have to wait until '25 though. I want that upgrade pentastar. Or maybe 4xe. Depends on price

With those large raises the UAW just got, I doubt that prices will go down.

 

[Geoarch]

I have to ask... If the 3.6 is a solid reliable motor, the 8 speed is an amazing transmission, and the 4.10 gears are solid for the Rubicon models especially....why do we want more power? I know I know...I'll take it....but why does every brand chase the power numbers? Imagine going back to my old CJ-7 and being offered THIS power train.... I'd take it in a second. I loved that 258 straight six...and very simple to work on.... But the AMC 20 rear end was weak, it was slower than dirt and we have improved things greatly. So yes...we already have more. But I'm also a Toyota fan. And one thing I like is they never chase everyone else. They improve, but stick to what works. The new Tundra doesn't have the highest payload, towing HP or tq in it's class. But it's solid. So why do we need to win that way with everyone? It doesn't translate to their vehicle being more capable than ours. Throw on 35s or very easily throw on 37s with our Lockers and where do they win? Wow, more power....ok, so do Ferraris and other cars. But they can't go where we go. And, it's pretty darn reliable.

With all that said I hope they're waiting on the hurricane motor to thoroughly test it before they put it into their flagship vehicles. After all, it's the wranglers and gladiators that go off into the unknown and want reliability. I'd love it if they kept the diesel and made it more reliable and fixed the problems. But here we are.

I'm a happy customer willing to wait for slow and steady and reliable improvements.

I had a 73 CJ-5 with the 258. It went everywhere, including the Rubicon with just larger tires and more skid plates, but I love my JTR.

 

[Geoarch]

This is great news, by 2030 my gas Mojave will easily be worth $200,000 or so!

But then you'd have to find gasoline.

 

[Geoarch]

We charge our PHEV with rooftop solar and there has been no difference in the energy drain, sorry.

 

[5adventurers]

I had a 73 CJ-5 with the 258. It went everywhere, including the Rubicon with just larger tires and more skid plates, but I love my JTR.

Yup, mine was an 84 CJ-7. Those things were amazing. Hence the point....if they did all they could do, and we've improved as far as we have....why do we keep crying for more more more....we are still the most capable even without the power and pretty solid reliability on these. So....I'm happy.

And CJ-5 ... Might rank among coolest vehicles ever....they're tiny and just freaking cool. Those and fj-40s....awesome. I loved the sideways seats in the fj-40 with ambulance doors...hard to beat that and kick vents in the floor ?

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Or install a solar charger that you can charge the vehicle with but we don't have mandates in NC and don't see none happening in my lifetime. I could do both, charge my vehicle and do everything on your list!! Not sure where your going with your post.

 

[DirkG]

We charge our PHEV with rooftop solar and there has been no difference in the energy drain, sorry.

I've always questioned why EVs don't all have rooftop solar (seems like a no-brainer) and then I did some digging and saw it's not a feasible charging option.

"A car would only be able to travel one to three miles for every hour it was charged with solar electricity. This means that for a 300-mile-range electric car, it would take around 90 hours of direct sunshine to fully charge the battery. " Source

You sound like you've seen some success. What's your experience?

 

[Gizmo]

Joe Biden can have them all as far as I am concerned But great if you would like one

 

[Bbannongmu]

I've always questioned why EVs don't all have rooftop solar (seems like a no-brainer) and then I did some digging and saw it's not a feasible charging option.

"A car would only be able to travel one to three miles for every hour it was charged with solar electricity. This means that for a 300-mile-range electric car, it would take around 90 hours of direct sunshine to fully charge the battery. " Source

You sound like you've seen some success. What's your experience?

Gotta be house rooftop he is talking - 6kw. That’s probably 12 - 500 watt solar panels.

 

[Rado]

Nice!!! I'm starting to buy in to the battery operated stuff. We are about to trade our BMW X5 50 for a Tesla Model 3 or Model S performance. After driving a Model 3 performance for 3 days I gotta say they are a joy to drive. My neighbor has a model 3 long range and it cost him around $43 a month to charge it at home and that gets him 300+ miles of driving each times he charges it. He drives around 1200 miles a month. He said it beats the $200 plus he was spending on his Mercedes E350 to drive the same distance. Wish they would make an all electric Gladiator instead of a Hybrid one.

Hey JepperJamie!

I just sold my Model X. I owned it for 5 months before I realized the cost savings are a wash and reliability is meh.

I owned a WK2 Overland with the Off-road Package for 10 years and had 1 repair for ~ $700.

Earlier this year I sold my WK2 and purchased a used 2018 Model X with 5k mi on the odometer from Tesla. It was a pristine garage kept vehicle.

Aside from the massive depreciation on those vehicles….(I purchased June 2023 so I missed the big drop when Elon changed pricing)

Tesla performed $3k in warranty work in the first few months I owned it- I know a few other folks and their Teslas are constantly in the shop for electrical issues - switches, etc.

My Model X bricked itself at 5pm at a busy intersection b/c I lightly touched the top of the steering column. It was due to a defective part and I was provided education to never touch the top of the steering column. Tesla had to come out to my house because they forgot to tighten some bolts on the steering wheel….a week after the repair.

I live in Colorado and drive ~12k mi each year, which means the Model X needs $1500 in tires and an alignment every year in addition to the repairs.

I also noticed my electric bill increased by $100/month compared to the reported $80/month of electricity displayed in the Tesla app. I suspect this is due to heat loss during the transfer of energy to the battery. (This year the climate was more temperate compared to last)

After all the headaches of the Tesla - I ran the math and with tires, insurance costs, etc relative to a JT Rubicon - it costs me ~ $400/yr more to drive the Rubicon.

just thought I would share my experience! I would have never bought one if I had done my research. I can only speak the Model X - although my coworker has a Model Y they wish they hadn’t bought!

Anyhow!

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Hey JepperJamie!

I just sold my Model X. I owned it for 5 months before I realized the cost savings are a wash and reliability is meh.

I owned a WK2 Overland with the Off-road Package for 10 years and had 1 repair for ~ $700.

Earlier this year I sold my WK2 and purchased a used 2018 Model X with 5k mi on the odometer from Tesla. It was a pristine garage kept vehicle.

Aside from the massive depreciation on those vehicles….(I purchased June 2023 so I missed the big drop when Elon changed pricing)

Tesla performed $3k in warranty work in the first few months I owned it- I know a few other folks and their Teslas are constantly in the shop for electrical issues - switches, etc.

My Model X bricked itself at 5pm at a busy intersection b/c I lightly touched the top of the steering column. It was due to a defective part and I was provided education to never touch the top of the steering column. Tesla had to come out to my house because they forgot to tighten some bolts on the steering wheel….a week after the repair.

I live in Colorado and drive ~12k mi each year, which means the Model X needs $1500 in tires and an alignment every year in addition to the repairs.

I also noticed my electric bill increased by $100/month compared to the reported $80/month of electricity displayed in the Tesla app. I suspect this is due to heat loss during the transfer of energy to the battery. (This year the climate was more temperate compared to last)

After all the headaches of the Tesla - I ran the math and with tires, insurance costs, etc relative to a JT Rubicon - it costs me ~ $400/yr more to drive the Rubicon.

just thought I would share my experience! I would have never bought one if I had done my research. I can only speak the Model X - although my coworker has a Model Y they wish they hadn’t bought!

Anyhow!

I've spoke to about 25 Tesla owners around my area, although they are just Model 3 and Model S owners 2020 and above and the most anyone has told me their power bill went up was $60. From my research it appears after 2019 most are giving them pretty decent reviews. The older models seem to be the ones that you got to watch out for. As far as depreciation, I've owned BMWs and Mercedes and they depreciate pretty significantly as well if your buying new. I'm a 2 or 3 year old model buyer for the most part so I let someone else take the hit most of the time of those vehicles. Our 2016 BMW X5 50i gets about 16 mpgs average because it's got the twin turbo V8 in it. Normally we spend between $350 to $500 a month to drive it so if we charged either model of the Tesla's after 7 PM we would be looking at maybe spending $50 to charge it and drive around 1400 miles which is pretty much what we average in the BMW a month.

As far as tires, I'm not sure what tires your putting on because my neighbor has 33,000 miles on his 2021 and he hasn't replaced the tires on his Model 3 long range yet and out of around 25 people I've talked to only 3 have said they still aren't sure about if they would keep theirs long term. I don't know I guess everyone likes what they like and all Vehicle manufacturers have s dud or two they make. I'm definitely not getting rid of my Gladiator to get one but it seems like a smart investment compared to the BMW X5 We have. Don't get me wrong the BMW is a problem free vehicle, all 7 we have owned have been and I also have a 2013 328i x drive that has 156,000 problem free miles. I'm just ready to give a Tesla a shot, especially after driving one for a few days.

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