Study: EVs cost more to fuel than ICE engines

[Jeeper44mag]

25k. Eliminated 5k yearly power bill and 6k gasoline the wife burned on fuel ferrying 3 kids around to 3 different schools and 5 different sports.

Power would likely be 8k a year now....prices have skyrocketed. Costs us nothing.

? Holy smokes man! Here in Florida my annual power bill is only ~$2k, and between me and my wife we only burn ~$2500‐$3000 annually in gas at the very most. And that's with me driving my JTR 20 miles each way to/from work. It would take a LONG LONG time to recoup the costs of going solar & EV..... if we EVER did!

Sounds to me like your state has created the situation you're in.

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[DanW]

False. We are saving $6,000/year as all charging is done at home on a paid for solar array. Insurance is about the same as my Mojave. A Model Y RWD is 36k brand new. The $7500 is taken at point of sale as of now. I couldn't care less about image or 'green' anything.

The fact is the Model Y saves us a shitload of money given our driving habits. Numbers crunched.

All you did is make a bunch of assumptions based on your personal opinion and not actual experience.

Just curious, as I don't actually know. What about the cost of a battery change? (I honestly don't know but have heard it is in the $20k to $25k range for a Tesla)? How many miles would that be expected? And how does age/mileage affect resale on a Modely Y, or even a Model 3?

I know of a guy who drove a Tesla Model 3 for Uber work and said in the end it cost him more, when factoring the battery replacement. He's going back to an Accord. Now that's a different profile than personal ownership, so it isn't apples to apples.

My main thing is that I don't see the vehicle I would want, besides a 4xe Jeep, and I have seen lines at chargers, which would not bother the 4xe.

 

[PuddleJumper]

yeah this will vary heavily from state to state. especially warmer sunnier states where people utilize solar and batteries tend to last longer in warmer climates. To me an EV has always been useless but i have met many of other people, who went EV, as it was the optimal choice for their needs. TBH I don't see EVs disappearing but getting dialed back and done the right way. Trucks like the new Ram charger i think are where our immediate future will be at. It just sucks that everyone jumped straight into the deep end on a underdeveloped platform with little to no infrastructure to support it. No we got back step and do it the right way. true Gas/Diesel electric is the next step as far as converting to simpler EV powertrains. But since battery technology still sucks for the application, an engine/generator makes perfect sense. Now your truck, has the range, the power, the efficiency, and it doubles as a true back up gen for residential spaces or construction power source. I hope it gets done right and doesn't flop, its been the only electrification a truck that's made any sense to me.

 

[CJ5w4wdSmokyOnMyTail]

Free at home here. California. Solar paid itself off in 3 years. The next 20ish years = free EV charging and home electricity. Gas is about 5/gallon currently...electricity soars to 65c/kwh in summer. Solar is life here.

100,000 miles in the Tesla will cost 0 to charge... the Jeep...yeah I don't want to calculate that and shit myself....lol

We have 4 continuous months with no sign of the sun during Michigan winters.

 

[Great Offender]

These are the same groups that told you solar was bad in the 70's and now the Chinese rule that industry and we complain about it. Now it's EV cars. The same groups have the same sheeple believing that EV is bad because ... Now the Chinese have once again passed us in this technology and are flooding the world with their cars while we once again complain about it.

Stop reading these stupid studies because they are almost always funded by a group that wants you to believe a certain way. Be a leader not a follower!

 

[johnchabin]

Just a simple question. Have you factored in battery replacement? At some point it will be a factor in the ev universe. Yeah sure you will get your usage out of the battery. But upon trade in or sale. That battery percentage health is gonna turn into a boat anchor. And wait till the “fees” for those battery disposals start to take affect. I guarantee these government subsidies are going to evaporate. Just saying.

Hyundai has a lifetime warranty on the battery. It only has a 30 mile range, so not particularly large, but it handles all our commuting.

I think the subsidies are absurd, but if they’re throwing money out the window, I’m there to catch it.

 

[Oilburner]

? It would take a LONG LONG time to recoup the costs of going solar & EV..... if we EVER did!

And it would take me Twice as long as it would you for EV to pay off for me! EV is Not for everyone.

 

[Puch]

These are the same groups that told you solar was bad in the 70's and now the Chinese rule that industry and we complain about it. Now it's EV cars. The same groups have the same sheeple believing that EV is bad because ... Now the Chinese have once again passed us in this technology and are flooding the world with their cars while we once again complain about it.

Stop reading these stupid studies because they are almost always funded by a group that wants you to believe a certain way. Be a leader not a follower!

Not trying to be a jerk, but what studies are you reading that say those groups are wrong and what groups wrote them?
Everyone has an opinion. Doesn’t make them sheep. What works and is desired by you may not be the same for someone else.

 

[Badunit]

We all kinda got off track here. The article was about fueling with gas vs fueling with electric from the grid or from a commercial charging station. I find it hard to believe EVs didn't come out far ahead in that regard. The cost effectiveness of a solar array is another subject entirely with a whole lot of variables to consider.

 

[ecidiego]

And it would take me Twice as long as it would you for EV to pay off for me! EV is Not for everyone.

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[Badunit]

If the window sticker of an EV is to be trusted,
Tesla is around 33.7kwh/100mi (100 MPGe)
Electricity cost is variable but lets say $0.15/kwh
Tesla fueling cost/100mi = 33.7*0.15 = $5.05
Versus a 20mpg gas car @ $3.50/gal = $17.50

Even taking into account charging losses (that are not on the sticker), the Tesla seems to handily beat the gasser. But the article has luxury EVs at $13.50/100mi using Michigan rates that are currently like $0.16/kwh. That puts their MPGe at about 40, not 100. That is a very large difference.

 

[Great Offender]

Everyone has an opinion

And that's the point. Just cause someone says it, doesn't make it true ...
Put the right search terms in Google and they will lead you down a rabbit hole and keep feeding you the information you want to hear no matter the validity. I realize I am painting myself into a corner here so lets talk about EV miles per charge vs ICE mpg but let's keep it fair and use national averages. I talk to uber drivers all the time about driving Tesla's and they say they save a ton of money?

 

[GeneralMaximus]

But the article has luxury EVs at $13.50/100mi using Michigan rates that are currently like $0.16/kwh. That puts their MPGe at about 40, not 100. That is a very large difference.

I dont get how they came up with that figure. I use .31 kWh/mile in my tesla which works out to around $4.70/100mi with NV electric rate or $7.50/100mi with CA electric rate.

 

[johnchabin]

Hyundai has a lifetime warranty on the battery. It only has a 30 mile range, so not particularly large, but it handles all our commuting.

I think the subsidies are absurd, but if they’re throwing money out the window, I’m there to catch it.

I should also mention that between federal and state tax credits for the plug-in hybrid, we got $10,000 back on the purchase price of the car. Also absurd.

 

[ecidiego]

I should also mention that between federal and state tax credits for the plug-in hybrid, we got $10,000 back on the purchase price of the car. Also absurd.

Cheaper than Carrier Strike Groups in the Gulf tho.....

Heck, if we fire 1 single SM-6 missile to intercept a Houthi ASBM headed for an oil tanker, that's 4 million dollars. Enough for 533 Federal EV credits.

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