2024 Selec Trac full time four wheel drive on Willys?

[Stuntman Mike]

They make it extra confusing by giving it different names for rubicons and non-rubicons. Command Trac and Rock Trac are standard, Selec Trac and Rock-Trac Full Time are options

I think I am quite lucky (and happy too) that they equipped the (or my?) Overland here in Germany with more ore less every option which was available. Except lockers, off course.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Meanwhile on the JL forum - people receiving Rubicon X's with no aux switches. LOL Jeep....

The aux switches were bundled with tow package on 23 JLU

Yes, the standard equipment on Rubicon and Mojave are much higher now. It's actually part of the reason MY24s are functionally price cuts. A 23 Mojave/Rubicon with all the same packages that are STD in a MY24 is about 4k more in MY23.

I spent some time with my sales guy for purposes of trying to get rid of some of the online confusion - build a 2023 Mojave, for example, with everything the x comes with and it would be a higher MSRP. Of course, can't consider the radio/screen and far more advanced software (UC4 compared to UC5 - Windows 95 compared to Windows 11, IMO)

Again, confirmed, the only way our dealer can get that full time automatic 4H transfer case is the X package and he was "befuddled" because it's a big seller around here - he said people requested it.

 

[ecidiego]

The aux switches were bundled with tow package on 23 JLU

Exactly and Rubicon X Wrangler is supposed to come with both some people are getting them with their trucks other people are getting them omitted it is not an option

 

[Mad Mac]

Why is Jeep so stingy with full time all wheel drive?
Do they get less gas mileage?
Could It have something to do with meeting CAFE standards?
I always liked it on a Subaru.

What does the cockpit look like?
Picture, anyone?

 

[Gmac03]

Just wondering if you can order the "full time" four wheel drive on a Willy's. You could on a 2023 Mojave with the rear lockers (Selec Trac) and so, now that the Willy's package has the rear locker, I was wondering. On Rubicons, they call it "Rock Trac" full time four wheel drive.

You can't order this on the Jeep build site (never could) but you can as your dealer orders for you at like 900 bucks (2023). I got it on my 2023 Freedom and personally consider it a requirement due to where I live and the road conditions I have to deal with. I've looked at a bunch like 30 or more of monroney's for 2024 Willy's and have yet to see a Selec Track full time 4WD noted on the window sticker.

Separate - I'm also noticing that I am NOT seeing any ability to order a limited slip diff on the Jeep build site for 2024's. They did have that on the 2023 site. It isn't on units with the rear lockers, but on other models you could order it.

I really don't know why Jeep doesn't market these "nuances" to the basic 4WD system. Basic 4WD can be a real pain for people who live in snowy, mountainous states where, like now, half the roads are snow covered and then the next half a mile down the road is clear pavement. Full time 4WD is a god send in those conditions and very helpful in heavy rain "hydroplane" scenarios also.

I agree Jeep doesn’t allow you to option the drive train well but having a ‘21 Willy’s, I’m happy I chose it, as the LSD is a life saver come winter. ?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The Rock Trac on the Rubicons is the NV241 and is not a full time TC and has a 4:1 ratio.

Careful, please - the RockTrac on Rubicon MAY be full time automatic transfer case.
They still call it that same name RockTrac but add "full time" to the description.
You can absolutely get the full time RockTrac on a Rubicon - but in 2024, it's limited to the X package Rubicon.

So in short, yes, you can buy the full time in Rubicon or others, but in 2024, it's only Rubicon X and Mojave X packages.

Why is Jeep so stingy with full time all wheel drive?
Do they get less gas mileage?
Could It have something to do with meeting CAFE standards?
I always liked it on a Subaru.

What does the cockpit look like?
Picture, anyone?

I posted interior pictures of a 2024 Mojave - have not taken pictures of the 2024 other levels. Don't want to bother our sales guy TOO much............ bugged him enough lately.

I have to wonder if it's a numbers thing - since it's required on the 4xe - and the 4xe Wrangler is a hot seller - maybe they are limiting it?
That's just a guess.

In any case - the full time automatic transfer case was available in at least Overland, Rubicon and Mojave up through 2023.
2024 and forward, it's only Rubicon X and Mojave X

It's still called RockTrac in Rubicon - but the full time automatic transfer case is called "RockTrac full time" in Rubicon and called SelecTrac in Mojave X

 

[Redfour5]

Careful, please - the RockTrac on Rubicon MAY be full time automatic transfer case.
They still call it that same name RockTrac but add "full time" to the description.
You can absolutely get the full time RockTrac on a Rubicon - but in 2024, it's limited to the X package Rubicon.

So in short, yes, you can buy the full time in Rubicon or others, but in 2024, it's only Rubicon X and Mojave X packages.



I posted interior pictures of a 2024 Mojave - have not taken pictures of the 2024 other levels. Don't want to bother our sales guy TOO much............ bugged him enough lately.

I have to wonder if it's a numbers thing - since it's required on the 4xe - and the 4xe Wrangler is a hot seller - maybe they are limiting it?
That's just a guess.

In any case - the full time automatic transfer case was available in at least Overland, Rubicon and Mojave up through 2023.
2024 and forward, it's only Rubicon X and Mojave X

It's still called RockTrac in Rubicon - but the full time automatic transfer case is called "RockTrac full time" in Rubicon and called SelecTrac in Mojave X

" In any case - the full time automatic transfer case was available in at least Overland, Rubicon and Mojave up through 2023. "

I got both selec trac full time four wheel drive AND a limited slip differential in my 2023 Freedom Edition. I wanted that 15% off incentive and searched and searched for the Selec Trac. VERY few dealers order them or the Rock Trac Rubicon version OR even limited slip. The vast majority of lot darlings do NOT have either but some have limited slip.

Overland's/High Altitudes did seem to have it more than other variants, in general but it was pulling teeth to find one. I almost thought I was going to have to get a Rubicon as some of them appeared to have it and still be under 50. But, I finally got lucky, found a dealer within 500 miles who's sales manager ordered as many as he could with both. AND, in late December, they matched the Jeep 15% off incentive. I scored but asked why he had so many with the full time 4WD and he said most people don't have a clue, thinking since they got 4WD they are set, and since I and that dealer live in the mountainous Pacific Northwest with lots o snow and ice, he put it on most of his units when ordering. He and I know better... He was protecting his customers whether they knew it or liked it.

I still do not understand why Jeep would limit availability to the tippy top upper end of the Gladiator line. It's almost a safety feature in most of the country with any slick roads or serious hydroplaning on a regular basis and ignorant people who don't understand the nuances of 4WD are the very people who NEED this kind of thing the most.. IMHO limited slip at the very least ought to be on every one of them.

 

[Redfour5]

Why is Jeep so stingy with full time all wheel drive?
Do they get less gas mileage?
Could It have something to do with meeting CAFE standards?
I always liked it on a Subaru.

What does the cockpit look like?
Picture, anyone?

Here is what the transfer case shifter looks like AND a decent video on what Selec Track is all about.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I still do not understand why Jeep would limit availability to the tippy top upper end of the Gladiator line. It's almost a safety feature in most of the country with any slick roads or serious hydroplaning on a regular basis and ignorant people who don't understand the nuances of 4WD are the very people who NEED this kind of thing the most.. IMHO limited slip at the very least ought to be on every one of them.

Thus the reasoning behind my searching the whole country for a reign JLU with that SelecTrac transfer case!
My wife - what's this lever for?
Don't worry about it - shift and drive as usual.

 

[InvertedAerialX]

The reason Jeep is not putting the Full-Time 4WD transfer case in a lot of vehicles is because of the transfer case itself. They are two(2) different transfer cases just like in the Ram 1500. One is a true locking 4wd Transfer case, the 4wd Auto uses a series of clutches (clutch packs). The clutch packs will surrender to avoid damage therefore not a true locking transfer case. The difference is with the Rubicon you have front and rear locking differentials, I am not sure how this effects the clutch pack vs the true lock transfer case. I will find out soon enough as I have question in to my Uncle who ironically works for Jeep in Detroit.

 

[Redfour5]

Here is what the transfer case shifter looks like AND a decent video on what Selec Track is all about.

Here is a creative YouTuber who shows what the difference is by showing relative wheel spin in the various modes. Another question asked is does it impact mileage. It MAY, but it may be hard to quantify it it is so small a difference.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The difference is with the Rubicon you have front and rear locking differentials, I am not sure how this effects the clutch pack vs the true lock transfer case.

Rubicon still gets the clutch pack transfer case if it's got the 4H auto position.
Proof is in the JSCAN displays of NM pressure applied to the clutches.
The 4xe output is a bit higher than the diesel as I recall as far as torque and HP - and you can't buy a 4xe without these transfer cases - including Rubicon. We own one.

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[Redfour5]

The reason Jeep is not putting the Full-Time 4WD transfer case in a lot of vehicles is because of the transfer case itself. They are two(2) different transfer cases just like in the Ram 1500. One is a true locking 4wd Transfer case, the 4wd Auto uses a series of clutches (clutch packs). The clutch packs will surrender to avoid damage therefore not a true locking transfer case. The difference is with the Rubicon you have front and rear locking differentials, I am not sure how this effects the clutch pack vs the true lock transfer case. I will find out soon enough as I have question in to my Uncle who ironically works for Jeep in Detroit.

" my Uncle who ironically works for Jeep in Detroit. " Fortuitously works for Jeep " for us... unless he's a bean counter or something and doesn't care...

 

[Redfour5]

Thus the reasoning behind my searching the whole country for a reign JLU with that SelecTrac transfer case!
My wife - what's this lever for?
Don't worry about it - shift and drive as usual.

My wife always curious, asked me, I explained and she got it although you could tell she was ambivalent about the whole thing so, in the end, I said exactly what you said, and she said, fine... and off she goes and I feel better about her safety as she NEVER switched in and out of part time 4WD based upon road conditions...

 

[Redfour5]

Rubicon still gets the clutch pack transfer case if it's got the 4H auto position.
Proof is in the JSCAN displays of NM pressure applied to the clutches.

Rubicon still gets the clutch pack transfer case if it's got the 4H auto position.
Proof is in the JSCAN displays of NM pressure applied to the clutches.
The 4xe output is a bit higher than the diesel as I recall as far as torque and HP - and you can't buy a 4xe without these transfer cases - including Rubicon. We own one.

RUBICON ->

AHHH, real, actual data showing a difference... AND, NOT just an opinion.

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