4xe Gladiator Hybrid (PHEV) Confirmed by Jeep CEO for 2025! ⚡️

[ArchEtech]

Some of you apparently have never driven a PHEV. A 35 mile electric range is an offset on MPG. Real life driving, you’d barely make it 35 miles in perfect weather, never going above 40, never accelerating, with no radio of AC/Heat on. There is almost no way you’re driving that 15 miles out and 15 miles back all electric in a Jeep.

The idea that it’s like an electric car for a little bit is sold with snake oil. The additional power and MPG is great but let’s be real here about how that is going to work. If they make the battery a bit larger with options for plugging in overland gear that would be awesome and a great selling point. I am 99% sure they won’t do that. Bigger chance the gladiator gets a slight upgrade in battery and features on the current 4xe platform and my guess is still that’s a low probability. Also, typically the charging aspect of the gas motor doesn’t charge fast enough to get that all electric range back, you have to plug it in at home. So the idea of running the gas as a sort of generator really doesn’t play out. Some hybrids do work that way. I think that ugly little BMW hybrid does. The gas motor isn’t even hooked to the drive train, is just charges the electric motor. I’m interested and hopeful. I’m just trying to keep my expectations in reality.

I mean a PHEv gladiator with 150 mile range with decent usable all electric power, 300jp/300tq and around 500 each with the gas turned on, ability to run overland gear would be game changing because there isn’t a hybrid that does anything close to that.

Man an efficient, cylinder shut off, 6 speed manual, hemi V8 would be SO much better. I could make almost 29mpg in my 300srt. I’d have to think the gladiator could make 24 pretty easy….but alas they won’t ever make it. The irony is my unicorn Gladiator above will likely still be more fuel efficient than the PHEV when the battery runs out when you’re not petering around town and out doing man stuff! The

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[crmarczak]

Some of you apparently have never driven a PHEV. A 35 mile electric range is an offset on MPG. Real life driving, you’d barely make it 35 miles in perfect weather, never going above 40, never accelerating, with no radio of AC/Heat on. There is almost no way you’re driving that 15 miles out and 15 miles back all electric in a Jeep.

The idea that it’s like an electric car for a little bit is sold with snake oil. The additional power and MPG is great but let’s be real here about how that is going to work. If they make the battery a bit larger with options for plugging in overland gear that would be awesome and a great selling point. I am 99% sure they won’t do that. Bigger chance the gladiator gets a slight upgrade in battery and features on the current 4xe platform and my guess is still that’s a low probability. Also, typically the charging aspect of the gas motor doesn’t charge fast enough to get that all electric range back, you have to plug it in at home. So the idea of running the gas as a sort of generator really doesn’t play out. Some hybrids do work that way. I think that ugly little BMW hybrid does. The gas motor isn’t even hooked to the drive train, is just charges the electric motor. I’m interested and hopeful. I’m just trying to keep my expectations in reality.

I mean a PHEv gladiator with 150 mile range with decent usable all electric power, 300jp/300tq and around 500 each with the gas turned on, ability to run overland gear would be game changing because there isn’t a hybrid that does anything close to that.

Man an efficient, cylinder shut off, 6 speed manual, hemi V8 would be SO much better. I could make almost 29mpg in my 300srt. I’d have to think the gladiator could make 24 pretty easy….but alas they won’t ever make it. The irony is my unicorn Gladiator above will likely still be more fuel efficient than the PHEV when the battery runs out when you’re not petering around town and out doing man stuff! The

350/350 v8 with stick, take my money now

 

[WoolyKris]

ShadowsPapa hit the nail on the head, the reality of vast majority of truck owners is just going around town, work and back, occasional road trip. If anything adding 4xe pwertrain option will help gladiator attract new customers, just like it did with the Wrangler. Let’s face it big inefficient V8 folk is slowly dying out, most of us don’t give damn what’s under the hood as long as it gives decent power numbers with reasonable mpg, and it is fairly reliable.

 

[SRO]

Not using it as a truck though like hauling and towing hence why I said, unless as a truck. Plus once you're out of juice you are using the shit 2.0 which is bad in mpgs. I tend to buy things to use them for what they are for, not just for show.

Hybrids don't work like this when you leave it in regular mode. You never really run out of battery juice. You don't have to plug it in at all.

I agree with concerns about payload and towing, how they address that will make or break this. Lots of potential if we'll executed

 

[NOTJeepBeerSleep]

If it's gonna have the same powertrain as the JLs it will be worthless as a truck. I'll be keeping my 3.0.

This 3.0 is really good power in the small truck. In my opinion best non v8 motor jeep has ever used.

 

[ArchEtech]

Hybrids don't work like this when you leave it in regular mode. You never really run out of battery juice. You don't have to plug it in at all.

I agree with concerns about payload and towing, how they address that will make or break this. Lots of potential if we'll executed

You are correct and unless you drive a typical hybrid long distance it never really fully charges. The plug in allows you to charge without having to run the motor so you can always have more EV only on but, and it’s a big butt, yiu don’t get a ton of additional EV only model because:

1) the battery packs aren’t large
2)the all electric motors are still not big and powerful and supplement the gas. All EV mode and not using the gas is like operating in limo m

I have yet to meet one PHEV member owner that can go EV all week in town getting groceries and going to work. That’s with smaller lighter more efficient plug in hybrids. Thee is zero chance the Wrangler and especially Gladiator is accomplishing that. Below 33 degrees and that 30 mile EV range is 10. I would think thr mall crawler (new to that term) is going to be more happy in thr Wrangler 4xe.

I had a coworker who had an early Highlander hybrid and he would make a game out of driving on EV only mode and try not to kick in the gas. It was annoying as shit because he would drive around super slow and accelerate slower than a person. Now it’s a lot better now especially with a plug in but the limitation and that “game” is still there:

I think it’s more likely the Gladiator mall crawlers will want to do some mild payload use truck stuff, a pickup and now that 30 miles range is even less usable.

Listen I’m not hating on a hybrid Gladiator. I am likely interested in one if it’s done right. I’m just trying to point out that it is literally never going to be a part time EV only vehicle even for in town use.

 

[OldSarge]

Jeep already does let you tap in to the hv battery and even use the ice as a generator. The power box gives up to 3600 watts, and the engine will stop and start on its own as needed to keep the hv batteries charged while you use it. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/2024-jeep-wrangler-4xe-power-box-deep-dive-review/

very cool. Too bad they won’t just give us the 392 we want in stead of all the overly complex hybrid BS

 

[Alc]

We had hybrids when I worked for the state. Honda and Toyota. Don't tell me they don't increase efficiency or range. I could drive all over this state with a Prius.

Yeah, my bad… I was only talking about truck hybrids not Prius as I thought this was a Jeep Gladiator forum. Specifically Toyota TRUCK hybrids are using this combined platform to 1. Downsize engine and 2. To offset the problems of downsizing said engine with a battery to help performance. They rely on this smaller engine to get better efficiency but as soon as it is required to work hard it actually has some challenges because it is overstressed/underpowered for that rig. The end result is marginal gains in efficiency and increased complexity and weight. The proof will be eventually brought to light just like when people can actually get their hands on Toyotas Tacoma hybrids and start using them in the real world scenarios. Trucks are a different beast altogether than other vehicles because the intrinsic usage of those vehicles. Before you argue that most people don’t drive around all day towing or with their bed full of stuff, no one buys a truck and says, well I’ll never use it like a truck, I’m going to use it like a Prius. There is a reason the Lightning is a bust, because it became all but useless at truck things like towing and range (among other things). Was it just ahead of its time or perhaps not a well throughout product from engineering to customer requirements. Again, maybe Stellantis is on a good trajectory and other manufacturers are missing out but if the 4xe model (plug in hybrid + small ICE) is such a great combo in trucks, why didn’t the engineers at Toyota also do this? After all Toyota leads the way on almost all hybrid tech so why not in the Tacoma? Probably because all the good forward-thinking engineers are at Stellantis….riiiight. How old was the charger/challenger platform designed by the Germans again?

I agree with your thoughts about how will they offset that battery weight in the 4xe gladiator as this could be a major success or failure. And to be fair, didn’t you have transmission issues on your JLU 4xe because of all that complexity?

 

[SRO]

If you are doing truck things, you won't put it in electric mode. You'll put it in regular or tow haul, whatever. Then the electric motor provides assistance. People make it sound like it's either/or.

Some days, I'm heading to the mountains, some days to the grocery store. And taking fuel completely out of the equation, one of the things I'm most interested in is that extra accessible torque off idle. I used to have a travel trailer but sold it fairly recently, I used it far more often than most people use theirs-6-8 times a year. Making the entire experience sound like that's all I did is disingenuous.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yeah, my bad… I was only talking about truck hybrids not Prius as I thought this was a Jeep Gladiator forum. Specifically Toyota TRUCK hybrids are using this combined platform to 1.

That's Toyota. Toyota is a different animal in the car and truck world. They do things very differently, including holding back on new tech for a year or two compared to other companies. They are never right out the door with it.
The Wrangler actually gets better mpg as a hybrid.
Jeep likely won't be doing this for the power factor alone.
Ram trucks have amazing ranges with their setup - it's about going far on less $$ for them, not about power alone (discussed with dealer sales guy who had just come from training)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If you are doing truck things, you won't put it in electric mode. You'll put it in regular or tow haul, whatever. Then the electric motor provides assistance. People make it sound like it's either/or.

A 4xe is always a hybrid unless in electric mode - then it's limited to 25 miles or so (Varies with the Jeep/FCA vehicle), and then it will still fire up the ICE when the electric motor gets hot. The motor in a 4xe is very capable, but at 70 mph+ it's putting out probably 80% of its power and will get hot under load, with wind and so on, and the ICE will kick no matter what mode you have it in. Even if it's still got half the 25-26 miles battery range, if you hit hwy 69 here, are going against a NW wind and up hill, the ICE will kick in.
It's a hybrid. There's no "gas only" mode, and no "electric only" mode unless you are still over that 1% mark on the gauge - even then, ICE may kick in as needed. So there's no such thing as either/or. It's a freakin hybrid. The ICE and electric work together as the system determines is best for whatever the conditions are at that exact time.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Below 33 degrees and that 30 mile EV range is 10.

No it's not.
We live in Iowa, have been through 2 winters. Still get close to 20 unless it's below 0, then it drops to the teens but we've never ever seen it as bad as "10".
And you can precondition the batteries if you leave it plugged in and do a remote start. It will use electric power to warm things up.
It's an amazing system.

2)the all electric motors are still not big and powerful and supplement the gas. All EV mode and not using the gas is like operating in limo m

I take it you have never really driven one?
Even in electric mode - a JLU 4xe will kick the 3.6's ass on takeoff. Crazy torque right off the line.
In electric, it's akin to a 3.6, but kick that pedal down and it's like a hemi.

 

[ArchEtech]

Thanks for proving my point. Significant loss of EV range in cold temperatures. So it’s 15 instead of 30 ?? not 10 MY BAD. Have the heat on full blast, go up a hill or through snow, I bet it’s down to 19 real fast! Go over 40mph, and not EV mode anymore. Sneeze and the engine kicks on.

Why your 4xe can beat me at a stop light….well gosh darn I bet I can bench press 225 more times than you!!!!

Listen, I’m not a 4xe hater or an EV hater. I drove a model 3 performance in Iowa for 3 years and am WELL aware of how EV work.

I’ve driven the 4xe wrangler. They drive great and are zippy. I’ll be considering that in a gladiator. The low end torque is what the Gladiator is missing which is why people live the diesel, but no way I’d drive that with all the issues I read about and I don’t take long trips so it’s not ideal. The 4xe platform is perfect for shorter trips and stop light launching!

My wife has a Highlander Hybrid. Getting into that 24-30 mpg range with some big torque boost would be awesome but I think it’s going to need more battery to be really useful. Still have concerns over long term viability of repairing hybrids. Jeep isn’t Toyota. The extra power and efficiency are what it brings, not an EV only experience and plugging in over night so you never buy gas…experience. That’s what I’m saying.

You ain’t driving anywhere only using EV power on a hybrid, nor especially in Iowa the winter on a hybrid. Maybe down the driveway!

Did’t they make some changes for 2024 on the 4xe. A little more power and efficiency. Incremental? I’d expect the gladiator to get a little bump and with some miles under the platform kinks worked out too by 2026. That’s when I’ll shop leftover Gladiator 4xe!

 

[ErylFlynn]

Talking hybrid look at the 25 MY Ram Charger coming out. Electric power train but a v6 to charge the battery. This is the type of power train I want.

 

[ygrignon]

if the 4xe model (plug in hybrid + small ICE) is such a great combo in trucks, why didn’t the engineers at Toyota also do this? After all Toyota leads the way on almost all hybrid tech so why not in the Tacoma?

Take a look at the brand new Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro and Trailhunter trim levels. That’s exactly what Toyota is doing and what the upcoming 4xe Gladiator will compete with.

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