4xe Gladiator Hybrid (PHEV) Confirmed by Jeep CEO for 2025! ⚡️

[Tim. Y.]

Thats pretty cool. I have zero interest in Clay or X Overland since they turned their noses up at a spec ops vet who started a overlanding group for vets and first responders. I lost all respect for Clay and his 'team' when that occurred, so I dont even give them the 'numbers' of watching their new shows. Total garbage from what they used to be IMO.

But it would be a super cool deal and a total game changer. It's pretty neat Toyota decided to do that, I bet that makes them taking the lead again for sales. Although, I think it still important to have a converter for a 12v system because a lot of things still run on 12v. Pumps, heaters, fridge, lights - heck almost everything really. It's surprising they threw in that big of an inverter, pretty cool. I really hope Jeep follows suit, but I honestly doubt they will. If they understand their customer base they will make that an option.





Yeah let's see some real world statistical numbers on that. If you are basing that solely on coastal cities then that number is WAY wrong. I have a 160 mile round trip to get to town and back, not including drive time in town for which to get to the south end is another 20 miles. Most people seem to fail to understand that there is a very wide and vast amount of low density population interior to the US. I could see that number being more realistic at 60 miles a day for an average. But not 20.

As per the link I placed right before your post, and the link below, the average is 37 miles per day for commutes/etc.

https://www.moneygeek.com/insurance/auto/average-mileage-driven-per-year/

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[JTGuy]

The 4xE is very very complicated. You can have it. It costs more and weighs more. Electricity is not free. I'll be happy with my 3.6. Buy your EV and never travel with it, your choice.

 

[Alc]

But the vast majority of people only drive 20 miles a day 300+ days of the year. So that is "real world" situations.

Oh man, where do I start with this. What is your “vast majority” based on? Is it on wrangler demand or gladiator demand? Is it based on current gladiator owners, potential gladiator owners, or just society as a whole in major populated areas? Are these people using highways or on 35mph streets? Because that mpgE BS doesn't accurately show that difference when driving a barn door at 70mph for those 20 miles. Do they care about towing? Do they care about payload?

there are a lot more questions when it comes to a pickup then even a wrangler because, presumably they use it in a truck-like manner which is in contradiction to traditional hybrid efficiency/usage. And then There’s the cooling problem hybrids (to include Toyota) are facing having… much like the 3.0 diesels except much more complicated. And Toyota only uses hybrid to increase performance, not to increase efficiency/range. They’ve decided to use hybrid technology to offset downsizing to a turbo4. Stellantis is trying to use the technology for it all, downsizing/efficiency/power. Either they are going to lead the pack or fall on their faces with this 4xe gladiator.

all that being said, I’m interested to see where Jeep goes with this and perhaps they will have cracked the code on a great balance.

 

[crmarczak]

If it comes with a stick I'm interested

 

[SRO]

Yeah let's see some real world statistical numbers on that. If you are basing that solely on coastal cities then that number is WAY wrong. I have a 160 mile round trip to get to town and back, g drive time in town for which to get to the south end is another 20 miles. Most people seem to fail to understand that there is a very wide and vast amount of low density population interior to the US. I could see that number being more realistic at 60 miles a day for an average. But not 20.

Id heard less, but I saw the studies quoting 37 miles per as an average. So taking a current 4xe and assuming they improve it enough for the same battery only range, that means basically a gallon per day. I live in Idaho. Believe me I know low population density parts of the country.

 

[SRO]

If it comes with a stick I'm interested

It won't, because the electric motor takes the place of the torque converter.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If it's gonna have the same powertrain as the JLs it will be worthless as a truck. I'll be keeping my 3.0.

And yet our JLU 4xe will blow away that diesel in HP and torque - even out-doing the hemi.
The kicker will be how they'll keep any sort of reasonable payload after adding 500 pounds of battery.
The JLU in our garage will pull from the instant you touch the "gas pedal". It proved itself in the mountains by hardly ever shifting down to make the grades.
The power - HP and torque will match or beat your diesel - it's the other stuff I'm thinking of.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Id heard less, but I saw the studies quoting 37 miles per as an average. So taking a current 4xe and assuming they improve it enough for the same battery only range, that means basically a gallon per day. I live in Idaho. Believe me I know low population density parts of the country.

The 4xe is ideal for my wife. She can drive to town and almost all the way back on the batteries. She can visit her friend 13 miles away, spend the day, and drive back only kicking in the ICE within the last mile coming home. She went almost 3 months, 500 miles on 10 gallons of gas.
BUT - weight, payload payload payload. there's plenty of HP and torque, it's how are they going to cram those batteries into a JT and not take away the back seat.
The4xe JLU has no under-seat storage at all, and the rear cargo area is intruded into by the batteries, leaving an 8" ledge back there.

 

[bleda2002]

would be interesting. Typically tho the 12v and the 400v systems are separate and they provide a smaller inverter to provide 110v AC with no real way to access the big battery for 12v use. This all assumes that the JT battery will be bigger than the JL 4xe which is tiny 17kwh.

Jeep already does let you tap in to the hv battery and even use the ice as a generator. The power box gives up to 3600 watts, and the engine will stop and start on its own as needed to keep the hv batteries charged while you use it. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/2024-jeep-wrangler-4xe-power-box-deep-dive-review/

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The 4xE is very very complicated. You can have it. It costs more and weighs more. Electricity is not free. I'll be happy with my 3.6. Buy your EV and never travel with it, your choice.

Winter months - roughly 6 months of the year, we can go 25 miles for $1.19
Summer months with higher rates, we can go 25 miles for $1.79
That's to town and back, if we go farther in, it's there and almost all the way back.
500 miles, 3 months, 10 gallons of gas.

And Toyota only uses hybrid to increase performance, not to increase efficiency/range.

We had hybrids when I worked for the state. Honda and Toyota. Don't tell me they don't increase efficiency or range. I could drive all over this state with a Prius.
The Jeep is a poor thing to compare, though, because those aren't exactly mpg poster boys. It's hard to get more mpg out of a brick, but then I can't say 20-21 out of a JLU Rubicon 4xe is bad - will the gas JLUs get that? And figure the first 25 miles of any trip is really cheap, the fact that most people - even truck owners around here - only drove 30-50 miles a day means a tank of fuel will last a very long time - like it did us. I finally had to put gas in ours because after 3 months it went into FORM - old gas! I checked my logs - 500 miles on 10 gallons of gas. Most trips under 50 miles.
If we weren't retired, a Jeep 4xe would be the perfect commuting vehicle for us! We'd go a long time without putting gas in it.
Most owners of pickups around here aren't towing across the country. They are going to work, going to the grocery store, they are used like cars.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Jeep already does let you tap in to the hv battery and even use the ice as a generator. The power box gives up to 3600 watts, and the engine will stop and start on its own as needed to keep the hv batteries charged while you use it. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/2024-jeep-wrangler-4xe-power-box-deep-dive-review/

Too bad that wasn't a thing for the 2023 model year - at least ours has no such thing. I'd be loving that.

 

[bleda2002]

The 4xE is very very complicated. You can have it. It costs more and weighs more. Electricity is not free. I'll be happy with my 3.6. Buy your EV and never travel with it, your choice.

Let me check my notes....yup 4xe is not an EV just a hybrid, so it can just use gas on road trips like our jlu 4xe did on our 1800 mile trip to and from TN with out a single charge.

 

[Maximusdafarmer]

I personally think it is a good concept. I just hope they pair it with the 3.6 and larger battery pack, I think the hurricane is too much to hope for. It is obviously not for everyone, and like everything in life there are pros and cons, but if I could have my Gladiator with a little more torque and better fuel economy, plus no EV anxiety because you know... it's not an EV. I would be in. Of course I would also love to just drop a hemi in my Mojave so I guess I just want my cake and to eat it too

 

[LOGS]

And yet our JLU 4xe will blow away that diesel in HP and torque - even out-doing the hemi.
The kicker will be how they'll keep any sort of reasonable payload after adding 500 pounds of battery.
The JLU in our garage will pull from the instant you touch the "gas pedal". It proved itself in the mountains by hardly ever shifting down to make the grades.
The power - HP and torque will match or beat your diesel - it's the other stuff I'm thinking of.

Not using it as a truck though like hauling and towing hence why I said, unless as a truck. Plus once you're out of juice you are using the shit 2.0 which is bad in mpgs. I tend to buy things to use them for what they are for, not just for show.

 

[bleda2002]

Not using it as a truck though like hauling and towing hence why I said, unless as a truck. Plus once you're out of juice you are using the shit 2.0 which is bad in mpgs. I tend to buy things to use them for what they are for, not just for show.

Why won't it work as a truck towing and hauling? The current 4xe will tow and haul in the Grand Cherokee and jlu all day since the battery never goes truly flat. Once the electric range is done it uses the remaining 3ish kwh as a regular hybrid so it keeps the HP and torque numbers. At that point it will just have the mpg numbers of the 3.6/2.0 but with 5.7 hemi levels of power. The Grand Cherokee is rated to tow and haul more than the diesel as well so seems like the power train is easily up to the task of "being used as a truck".

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