Jeep died and went into autopark right as I took off from gas station

[Lost1wing]

It actually happened to others - injuries, etc. but that one made headlines for obvious reasons........

I get the reason, but there are certainly other safety reasons why you would not want this feature. Seatbelt switch, seat switch and a door switch all waiting to be satisfied while perhaps a young woman is trying to leave a bad situation . In a panic, she may not put the seat belt on, she may not have closed her door all of the way. She may not be able to reach her PhD. at the moment to figure out why she can't put the vehicle in drive to get away.

Save the idiots and don't get sued is Jeeps response. This is the same as the don't spill hot coffee on yourself. I get the safety concern. I think the lawyers are building a bigger and bigger safety net for themselves.

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[stingrey]

I would love to disable Autopark.
We are talking about a vehicle that will let us drive it with the doors and roof completely removed, A chime/warning light is enough for me.

A Tazer JL Mini has “AP Kill” to disable AutoPark system. Its in the Live Setting SubMenu

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I get the reason, but there are certainly other safety reasons why you would not want this feature. Seatbelt switch, seat switch and a door switch all waiting to be satisfied while perhaps a young woman is trying to leave a bad situation . In a panic, she may not put the seat belt on, she may not have closed her door all of the way. She may not be able to reach her PhD. at the moment to figure out why she can't put the vehicle in drive to get away.

Save the idiots and don't get sued is Jeeps response. This is the same as the don't spill hot coffee on yourself. I get the safety concern. I think the lawyers are building a bigger and bigger safety net for themselves.

People keep going back to that one single case as if that is THE reason for it - yet roll-aways have been happening for many decades.
There have been many dozens of injuries and property loss accidents.
You can come up with a scenario for almost anything and while you might help 1 person what about the young woman run over by a run-away vehicle? Or the person driving along a highway and a car thought to be in park backs down a drive and onto the highway, totaling both cars? (it happened, I know the person who lost their car over it, and I wonder if the shop employee was fired?)

And people blame JEEP. This is not a Jeep only thing.
Ford also does this..
People think Jeep came up with this over that death - that may have been "the final straw" for Jeep/FCA, but it wasn't just because of that. Other companies had vehicles that rolled away, running over things, injuring kids playing in the driveway behind the car/truck and so on.

Please stop blaming Jeep or that one death. It's not Jeep, it wasn't that one incident. Many people have been injured by vehicles thought to be in park that were not.
Ford has a version, go check out a Bronco! (I think it's the Sport that has this same thing)
GM and Chevrolet as far as I know won't do this - I guess they don't care about kids and others being run over by vehicles left running but not in park.

I dig into this years ago and found a lot of cases being brought about because of a vehicle running unattended, or even shut off, and rolling away because they were not in park. It's really a common thing.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Hmmm maybe GM does have such a feature - found this (and GM is having tons of trouble with it)

What is Shift to Park?
This new safety feature making its way throughout the automotive world, Ford and Stellantis have a similar feature, is meant to ensure the vehicle is in park before the driver exits.

While this is really common sense for most owners, it can be handy with today’s busy world filled with distractions. This feature can cut down on the embarrassment of forgetting to shift into park.

However, GM’s Shift to Park is different than the Ford and Stellantis feature in that the latter automakers’ vehicles will automatically move the shifter to park when the door opens. GM vehicles do not.

Like we demonstrated with our 2021 Ford F-150 PowerBoost, opening the truck’s door moves the shifter to park as an added safety benefit.

Another quote -

“So when you spend this kind of money on a vehicle you expect it to hold up for several years. This car is barely a year old and for the last month I have been dealing with my SUV not recognizing when it is in park. What that means is, the vehicle will not shut off and I can not lock it and walk away. I have to sit and jiggle the gear shifter like a mad woman until it decides to recognize that it is indeed in park.” — 2018 Chevrolet Traverse owner

So stop blaming JEEP.
It's an industry-wide thing for the most part, and people have been seriously hurt, vehicles lost, kids backed over and so on when the thing isn't in park but people believe it is, and exit the vehicle. It's to save innocent people around such a vehicle. That's often worth a tiny bit of annoyance. Someone will always gripe about what others shrug off or actually like.

Two instances with our vehicles makes me glad it's there. If I have to, I can work around it.

 

[Lost1wing]

People keep going back to that one single case as if that is THE reason for it - yet roll-aways have been happening for many decades.
There have been many dozens of injuries and property loss accidents.
You can come up with a scenario for almost anything and while you might help 1 person what about the young woman run over by a run-away vehicle? Or the person driving along a highway and a car thought to be in park backs down a drive and onto the highway, totaling both cars? (it happened, I know the person who lost their car over it, and I wonder if the shop employee was fired?)

And people blame JEEP. This is not a Jeep only thing.
Ford also does this..
People think Jeep came up with this over that death - that may have been "the final straw" for Jeep/FCA, but it wasn't just because of that. Other companies had vehicles that rolled away, running over things, injuring kids playing in the driveway behind the car/truck and so on.

Please stop blaming Jeep or that one death. It's not Jeep, it wasn't that one incident. Many people have been injured by vehicles thought to be in park that were not.
Ford has a version, go check out a Bronco! (I think it's the Sport that has this same thing)
GM and Chevrolet as far as I know won't do this - I guess they don't care about kids and others being run over by vehicles left running but not in park.

I dig into this years ago and found a lot of cases being brought about because of a vehicle running unattended, or even shut off, and rolling away because they were not in park. It's really a common thing.

I think we mention Jeep because we are on a Jeep forum, or at least I do. People bring up one occasion usually the most notable one. When are they just going to except that people are idiots. People will do dumb things. Somehow the lawyers get involved and Jeep, Ford, GM, and others add another sensor, change the software even go as far as a recall (Tesla), because someone ate the yellow snow. I get that there are legit defects and that some of these safety upgrades correct those issues. Who gets out of a car while it is still in drive? Somehow that is the manufactures problem and is held liable? It's a different story is the driver put the car in park but it didn't go into park.

 

[Hootbro]

I still blame Jeep.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Who gets out of a car while it is still in drive?

Are you familiar with muscle memory? You THINK its in park, but it missed or you didn't really get it in park, and it's in reverse. On older cars it happened because of linkage. Today it can happen because of electronic shifter differences.
Some who are used to driving vehicle that handle shifting different - say a dial or whatever, then get into another that has a floor shifter - they can believe they've put it in park, but didn't really.
It's not "a dummy getting out with it in drive" it's going either from one vehicle to another or thinking it's fully in park when it's not - you missed.
In the past, it had to be in park to remove the key. We don't have that protection today with push-button TIP starting.
Go from an EV to a Ford Bronco - you have driven that EV for months and months, and it handles that for you - so you don't hear an engine roaring at you - you get out and there you are.
My wife thought her JLU was in park - it wasn't fully. It's so quiet, she opened the door to put a bag of groceries on the steps next to the driveway - it would have backed into the garage with the door open if not for auto-park.
Humans are humans - there are distractions (you should watch the episode of Myth Busters that touches that subject) and shit happens.
Like I say -it's been an issue for decades across all makes and models.
But people concentrate on the one event that made headlines - ignoring the fact that there have been many hundreds of events - back-overs and worse, over the years.

People will do dumb things.

It's not people doing dumb things, not on purpose anyway - it's all people being human, and stuff happens. Muscle memory, quiet engines, you have done something so many hundreds of times you do it mindlessly - and one time - you miss.

I've worked on a lot of vehicles that had issues over the years and looking back, it's really too bad that feature wasn't a thing 40 years ago. But all they could do was make sure you couldn't remove a key unless it was in park. They couldn't, back then, account for leaving it running, hopping out to run into the house to heat up the coffee or whatever and damn, it didn't lock into park! there is goes, backing into things, onto a highway, backing over kids, whatever.

It saves lives and property and there will always be those who hate it - while others are glad it's there, or just really don't care at all either way.

 

[Lost1wing]

Hmmm maybe GM does have such a feature - found this (and GM is having tons of trouble with it)

What is Shift to Park?
This new safety feature making its way throughout the automotive world, Ford and Stellantis have a similar feature, is meant to ensure the vehicle is in park before the driver exits.

While this is really common sense for most owners, it can be handy with today’s busy world filled with distractions. This feature can cut down on the embarrassment of forgetting to shift into park.

However, GM’s Shift to Park is different than the Ford and Stellantis feature in that the latter automakers’ vehicles will automatically move the shifter to park when the door opens. GM vehicles do not.

Like we demonstrated with our 2021 Ford F-150 PowerBoost, opening the truck’s door moves the shifter to park as an added safety benefit.

Another quote -

“So when you spend this kind of money on a vehicle you expect it to hold up for several years. This car is barely a year old and for the last month I have been dealing with my SUV not recognizing when it is in park. What that means is, the vehicle will not shut off and I can not lock it and walk away. I have to sit and jiggle the gear shifter like a mad woman until it decides to recognize that it is indeed in park.” — 2018 Chevrolet Traverse owner

So stop blaming JEEP.
It's an industry-wide thing for the most part, and people have been seriously hurt, vehicles lost, kids backed over and so on when the thing isn't in park but people believe it is, and exit the vehicle. It's to save innocent people around such a vehicle. That's often worth a tiny bit of annoyance. Someone will always gripe about what others shrug off or actually like.

Two instances with our vehicles makes me glad it's there. If I have to, I can work around it.

Are you familiar with muscle memory? You THINK its in park, but it missed or you didn't really get it in park, and it's in reverse. On older cars it happened because of linkage. Today it can happen because of electronic shifter differences.
Some who are used to driving vehicle that handle shifting different - say a dial or whatever, then get into another that has a floor shifter - they can believe they've put it in park, but didn't really.
It's not "a dummy getting out with it in drive" it's going either from one vehicle to another or thinking it's fully in park when it's not - you missed.
In the past, it had to be in park to remove the key. We don't have that protection today with push-button TIP starting.
Go from an EV to a Ford Bronco - you have driven that EV for months and months, and it handles that for you - so you don't hear an engine roaring at you - you get out and there you are.
My wife thought her JLU was in park - it wasn't fully. It's so quiet, she opened the door to put a bag of groceries on the steps next to the driveway - it would have backed into the garage with the door open if not for auto-park.
Humans are humans - there are distractions (you should watch the episode of Myth Busters that touches that subject) and shit happens.
Like I say -it's been an issue for decades across all makes and models.
But people concentrate on the one event that made headlines - ignoring the fact that there have been many hundreds of events - back-overs and worse, over the years.



It's not people doing dumb things, not on purpose anyway - it's all people being human, and stuff happens. Muscle memory, quiet engines, you have done something so many hundreds of times you do it mindlessly - and one time - you miss.

I've worked on a lot of vehicles that had issues over the years and looking back, it's really too bad that feature wasn't a thing 40 years ago. But all they could do was make sure you couldn't remove a key unless it was in park. They couldn't, back then, account for leaving it running, hopping out to run into the house to heat up the coffee or whatever and damn, it didn't lock into park! there is goes, backing into things, onto a highway, backing over kids, whatever.

It saves lives and property and there will always be those who hate it - while others are glad it's there, or just really don't care at all either way.

And now our cheap vehicles are $30k.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

And now our cheap vehicles are $30k.

And cheap houses in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
People can hardly afford to buy these days............it's a world for renting your home.
Farm land selling for record amounts, there's no way I could afford to rent farm ground today if I was still farming.
A used combine is a quarter million to three quarters of a million dollars.

 

[Lost1wing]

And cheap houses in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
People can hardly afford to buy these days............it's a world for renting your home.
Farm land selling for record amounts, there's no way I could afford to rent farm ground today if I was still farming.
A used combine is a quarter million to three quarters of a million dollars.

My old coworker has 2 combines up in Minnesota. Fairly new at 15 years of age. All computer controlled, DEF and a SCR, he had bought them with a service contract. JD controls the thing from the mothership and sends out a tech if need be. One is always down. He used to ask us guys at work if we wanted to be a monitor in one of the cabs. He quit asking because the equipment kept braking down. Stupid stuff like communication link would kill the combine. It's not the same being a farmer today than it was 20-30 years ago.

 

[rharr]

I don't get the shift to park, that just puts a lot of undue stress on the trans to do the braking, wouldn't it make more sense to have the "feature" shift to neutral, and apply an electronic parking brake?

The slam it into park seems like a halfbaked knee jerk response as a easy we did something.

 

[Jteakus]

My point is you can take the doors off. There is no Autopark when the doors are off. If I can survive without it when doors are off I can make due when they are on,

 

[DylanM]

I don't get the shift to park, that just puts a lot of undue stress on the trans to do the braking, wouldn't it make more sense to have the "feature" shift to neutral, and apply an electronic parking brake?

The slam it into park seems like a halfbaked knee jerk response as a easy we did something.

Autopark only works when the vehicle speed is very low (book spec says 1.2mph maximum). Any faster and the trans shifts into neutral and you get a "Vehicle Speed is Too High to Shift to P" error message on the dash. It's not the same as jamming your old 1980 Oldsmobile into park at 30mph when the brakes failed.

 

[DylanM]

My point is you can take the doors off. There is no Autopark when the doors are off. If I can survive without it when doors are off I can make due when they are on,

Autopark works the same with the doors off as well, provided you're not in 4LO.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't get the shift to park, that just puts a lot of undue stress on the trans to do the braking, wouldn't it make more sense to have the "feature" shift to neutral, and apply an electronic parking brake?

The slam it into park seems like a halfbaked knee jerk response as a easy we did something.

It doesn't "slam" into park. It prevents it from moving if you come to a stop and don't have it in park then open the door and get out.
It's not rolling fast. You can drive down the highway and still jump out like a hollyweed stuntman if you want - it won't slam into park.

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