Mojave X springs on older Mojave with OEM mods

[Minty JL]

Ok...yeah the brake line brackets and the connector on the dif. What I'm trying to avoid is loosening control arm brackets or my Apex...guess we will see. I hate doing torque + angle. Maybe it's time I buy a Snap On Tech Angle.

I am a God on electronics and tech.... not a suspension guy. I have a mid-range impact ( Dewalt DCF891B ) that will break loose anything on the Jeep and a 250lb 1/2" torque wrench....this will be my first time messing with a Jeep suspension. =D

Its doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out. Countless videos on YT if you find yourself in a bind. If you find it necessary to disconnect the Apex end links, just disconnect them on the axle end and you should be fine; because Yes, it can be a pain in the dick to tighten them up top side with the allen wrench and another wrench.

As far as torques to angle, hit your initial torque value and then eyeball the angle. When I build LS motors I skip that angle shit with the hardware I use. Since every manufacture love to use the ToY hardware which is trash after a single use; I go with ARP Hardware......yes its a couple more dollars up front, but you can reuse it and there is no angle shit in the torque sequence. For example an aluminum block LS, first round at 25ftlbs in order, then 50ftlbs in order and finish with 70ftlbs in order; an Iron block has different torque ratings.

Only time I really concern my self with torque values is when I'm build long blocks, clutches or transfer case, everything else I torque to feel. Been wrenching for almost 40 years and hasn't failed me yet.

If you have any questions throw them up in here or shoot me a DM

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[Splenda]

They usually compensate for the fuel tank for 2 reasons. First being your Jeep will spend 10x the amount of time sitting as it will driving. Second being every obsessed "my Jeep has a lean" guy isn't taking his measurements with a driver in the seat. People can't seem to grasp just how soft the Jeep suspension is. Which is weird as every winch thread they seem to understand it. Pretty much every adult male in America weighs more than a bumper and winch will add, and yet people expect the front to sag ~.5" when they do that swap. Guess what happens to the lean when you put a driver in the seat?

Thank you! I've been stressed about the driver side being slightly taller. I noticed my lift had one spring marked with a D and wondered why, since they looked the same. You can even see it in pictures, and it's because I'm sitting in it while driving. The passenger side fender is slightly lower on the tire than the driver fender, and I could not figure out why. You saved me.

 

[ecidiego]

I am doing 1 corner at a time. All I had to unbolt from the front was the lower shock bolt and brake line bracket. The 8" Apex disconnects let the axle droop enough to do the springs. On to the rear...

I jumped up and down on the bumper after lowering the front. The front is about 1/2" higher with the springs than with the OEM 2021 Mojave springs.

 

[ecidiego]

This was interesting. Metalcloak isolators are identical...doesn't matter which side they are on. Factory are left/right, with the gray one having a much higher 'ramp' on it. 2021 Mojave springs are different left/right as well, while 2024 X springs are the same left/right.

 

[ecidiego]

Rears are on. 1/2". I gained a pretty even half inch on all four corners with the X springs. The only things I removed in the rear were the lower shock bolt and the lower end link nut. I used a bottle jack on the bump stop pad and had just enough clearance to install the springs without worrying about the brake lines.

The X rear springs actually had one less coil than 2021 Mojave springs and are the same height. They raised the truck a half an inch in the rear so they must have a much heavier rate.

Going to take it out in a little bit for ride impressions.

As a reminder I added the front and rear OEM steel bumpers with bed protection and the factory tow hitch none of which were present on my stock Mojave. I wish I had before bumpers measurements but I don't.

 

[ecidiego]

Bitchen. No lie - the springs returned the truck to exactly how it rode stock with none of the added stuff. I read somewhere that the Mojave shocks have a very limited sweet spot so that half inch lift and clearly higher rate definitely returned them to wherever that was. 100 bucks used. Hell yeah.

People who had been riding in my truck recently asked me if my shocks were blown. It just rode like shit with the suspension compressed the way it was and the way the 2021 spring rate was dealing with it. It's hard to believe that just those couple hundred pounds did it but they were at the very front and very end of the vehicle which amplifies everything.

If your truck is like mine I highly suggest picking up a set of these used and throwing them on.

I wonder if Wrangler Rubicon X with factory winch springs would work well on a Mojave X with a winch........ lmfao

 

[_spoon]

So I looked through my local facebook marketplace ads and found a set of 2024 Rubicon X springs that had approx 110 miles on em.

Same part number (7513AB) up front as the Mojave X, the back coils are different part number though (7539AA instead of 7529AA). From reading and poking around the spring rate it slightly higher (like 10 lbs/in difference).

I haul wood and tow small trailers often with my 2021 Mojave and picked up the springs for $75. Swapped em out, going from 40(d) 39.5(p) inches to the split in the fenders in the front and 39.5 (d & p) in the rear to 41.5 (both) in the front and 42 (both) in the rear.

I also, am very glad I did swap these out. The front passenger side spring had a crack in the top near the isolator. Seems like that could have been bad if it broke.

As for the height gain (1.5 inch front and 2.5 in the rear), beyond the cracked coil, I think the coils were just worn out. I do have a steel bumper up front and LOD frame mounted sliders/step. Winch will be installed next week and I do have a retractable bed cover, but the plastic bumper still on the rear.

It handles much better, eating up speed tables and not body rolling nearly as badly as it was through curves and such. I have not taken it offroad since the swap. I picked up 450-ish lbs of dry concrete plus a couple sheets of plywood and it didn't sag as bad as it use to.

 

[ecidiego]

So I looked through my local facebook marketplace ads and found a set of 2024 Rubicon X springs that had approx 110 miles on em.

Same part number (7513AB) up front as the Mojave X, the back coils are different part number though (7539AA instead of 7529AA). From reading and poking around the spring rate it slightly higher (like 10 lbs/in difference).

I haul wood and tow small trailers often with my 2021 Mojave and picked up the springs for $75. Swapped em out, going from 40(d) 39.5(p) inches to the split in the fenders in the front and 39.5 (d & p) in the rear to 41.5 (both) in the front and 42 (both) in the rear.

I also, am very glad I did swap these out. The front passenger side spring had a crack in the top near the isolator. Seems like that could have been bad if it broke.

As for the height gain (1.5 inch front and 2.5 in the rear), beyond the cracked coil, I think the coils were just worn out. I do have a steel bumper up front and LOD frame mounted sliders/step. Winch will be installed next week and I do have a retractable bed cover, but the plastic bumper still on the rear.

It handles much better, eating up speed tables and not body rolling nearly as badly as it was through curves and such. I have not taken it offroad since the swap. I picked up 450-ish lbs of dry concrete plus a couple sheets of plywood and it didn't sag as bad as it use to.

Nice score! Such a cheap, easy mod once you find em' used.

Great info on the Rubicon X springs.

 

[Aleph]

Just put in the Mojave X Springs on my 2023 Mojave. I paid $30 for the springs off fb marketplace. The truck rides and handles significantly better. Huge difference. I barely feel broken pavement, less dive-y when braking, less head toss, and less body roll when cornering. Factory ride height restored.

For reference, my added weight is a harbor freight 12,000 pound winch, rockhard, aluminum bumper, alucab contour canopy, both back seats removed. I still have the stock plastic rear bumper.

I suspect this will pair very well with the AEV Mojave spacer lift for the ultimate OEM+ Mojave build

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Just put in the Mojave X Springs on my 2023 Mojave. I paid $30 for the springs off fb marketplace. The truck rides and handles significantly better. Huge difference. I barely feel broken pavement, less dive-y when braking, less head toss, and less body roll when cornering. Factory ride height restored.

For reference, my added weight is a harbor freight 12,000 pound winch, rockhard, aluminum bumper, alucab contour canopy, both back seats removed. I still have the stock plastic rear bumper.

I suspect this will pair very well with the AEV Mojave spacer lift for the ultimate OEM+ Mojave build

Nowhere to go with a Mojave X when you add weight to it - mine dropped 1/4-1/2" with the addition of the snow plow brackets and winch with winch plate. May be my imagination, but I swear it felt a tiny bit better on the pavement cracks and bridge transitions here. Makes no sense that that little bit of weight would do that, so I'll assume it's just me imagining it. There's no Mojave X X springs, so nothing to compensate for the weight up front.

 

[Jaxmax]

Nowhere to go with a Mojave X when you add weight to it - mine dropped 1/4-1/2" with the addition of the snow plow brackets and winch with winch plate. May be my imagination, but I swear it felt a tiny bit better on the pavement cracks and bridge transitions here. Makes no sense that that little bit of weight would do that, so I'll assume it's just me imagining it. There's no Mojave X X springs, so nothing to compensate for the weight up front.

Bill it is not your vivid imagination running rampant, it is a thing.
I now have a Mopar Performance bumper, front hitch, dual battery under hood and a winch, I did go with a light weight narrow spool winch that is small and shipping weight including the box was 54lbs. I also am going to go to front Mojave X springs but adding a 1/2" spacer for a bit of lift, along with my Max Tow rear springs with a Icon aluminum 1 &3/8" spacer to match up the spring height with Mojave springs and also adding a 1/2" spacer at rear that goes on top of spring. My thought is I will get a stiffer front to account for the weight and 1/2" LIFT all around perhaps and keep my shocks in their range. I bought a cheap set of Mojave shocks that I am planning on sending out to Shock Surplus for a rebuild and improvements including a bit stiffer rear to account for the fridge in bed, cap and awning which all together weight about 300lbs......Jack

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Bill it is not your vivid imagination running rampant, it is a thing.
I now have a Mopar Performance bumper, front hitch, dual battery under hood and a winch, I did go with a light weight narrow spool winch that is small and shipping weight including the box was 54lbs. I also am going to go to front Mojave X springs but adding a 1/2" spacer for a bit of lift, along with my Max Tow rear springs with a Icon aluminum 1 &3/8" spacer to match up the spring height with Mojave springs and also adding a 1/2" spacer at rear that goes on top of spring. My thought is I will get a stiffer front to account for the weight and 1/2" LIFT all around perhaps and keep my shocks in their range. I bought a cheap set of Mojave shocks that I am planning on sending out to Shock Surplus for a rebuild and improvements including a bit stiffer rear to account for the fridge in bed, cap and awning which all together weight about 300lbs......Jack

One positive side effect of my Mojave X sinking a bit with the weight of the winch and plate and plow brackets - the specs for the plow and this set of brackets is the frame needs to measure 22" from a point they specify to the ground. Before it was like 22.3 or so.
Now it's at exactly 22" so don't have to order new brackets that I've never been able to find anyway.
My Overland with the Synergy springs sat at 22".

 

[double J]

I just installed the front Mojave X springs, and metalcloak spring pads. Definitely made up for added weight from arcus bumper and smittybilt x20 10k synthetic winch. It rides like it did stock now.

 

[double J]

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yeah, but what do you do if you have a Mojave X and it already has Mojave X springs and you add weight to the front?

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