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The recon isn't built properly for real wheeling, but I don't get the range anxiety. The Rubicon trail is all of 18 miles. Give me an EV wrangler with the same specs as the recon as far as horsepower, torque, and range but with solid axles and real articulation and I will wheel the thing all over just like we do with our ICE JLUR that only has a 240 mile range on a good day thanks to the 39s. I've yet to find the trail where I needed extra fuel. The 80/20 "rule" is advisable for the everyday use but you absolutely can charge to 100% and run it all the way down if needed occasionally with no harm to the batteries. Doing that daily is harmful which is where the 80/20 comes into play. There isn't a trail I've ever run that would even be a concern. Every trail in moab is close enough to town and short enough you could even follow the 80/20 rule. The mojave road is one of the longest trails I've ever run and it's only 100 miles. There are plenty of chargers at both ends. For a trail that long I'd likely charge to 100% just to be sure it wasn't an issue but I'd bet you got off the trail and to a charger with 50% remaining. I'd like to see more like a 350-400 mile range in an EV wrangler for roadtrips and whatnot, but for the vast majority of trails 250 is more than enough.
You may be right but I wouldn’t take that bet…
the issue also is that the Recon has a 100kW battery pack and is only able to say it gets 250 miles of range while my Model Y LR has a 75kW battery and has a 320 mile range Leading those who follow this stuff to wonder why the vehicle is soooo inefficient and costs tens of thousands more than the Y..
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Leading those who follow this stuff to wonder why the vehicle is soooo inefficient and costs tens of thousands more than the Y..
I would hope those who "follow this stuff" can tell the difference between a tear drop and a barn door and maybe cogitate on what that might to do drag coefficients and ranges...

But probably not.

Won't stop them from being amateur engineering experts on the internet though 😂
 

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You may be right but I wouldn’t take that bet…
the issue also is that the Recon has a 100kW battery pack and is only able to say it gets 250 miles of range while my Model Y LR has a 75kW battery and has a 320 mile range Leading those who follow this stuff to wonder why the vehicle is soooo inefficient and costs tens of thousands more than the Y..
You mean cars get better fuel economy than SUVs? Shocking. If you want to talk efficiency, a gallon of gas has ~35kWh of energy, I wish my Wrangler was as inefficient as the recon and got 250 miles of range on 3 gallons of fuel. Instead I'm lucky if it gets that range on 700kWh of gas (full 20 gallon tank). The rivian with its 140kWh max battery gets 370-410 miles of range depending on configuration, the recon would get 350 miles with the same pack. It's not the most efficient EV on the market, but it's pretty comparable to actually similar vehicles.
 

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Quick update because I just exposed my wife who I believe is a way better target market example for this vehicle, to a few YouTube videos about it. The verdict, as I expected, was that she'll give it a year or two to shake out the bugs and then she absolutely wants to go test drive one.

This video gives you a way more comprehensive view of the vehicle and available trim packages.


So theoretically, we could load this thing with our ski gear, luggage and dog and make it from our house to Brian Head (one of our favorite skiing destinations) without having to recharge. Charge it overnight and have enough power to spend the weekend going about town etc. Another overnight full charge and bang, we're home. So it passed the test. And 250 miles of range are enough for her to drive for a week or two around town without having to re-charge the car. Neither one of us have a regular commute.

Again, all this stuff is a highly personal evaluation, your life, mileage, experience, tastes etc will be different and that is Ok. That's why we have so many different flavors of ice cream. But all in all, probably a HIGH percentage of folks even here would be factually better served by this vehicle than a Gladiator and it's really a matter of taste and not need that dictates which way you go.
 

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Yes, and I think that's the point. We all drive long ICE bricks that get horrible gas mileage and we don't GAF (maybe the diesel guys do). We are not close to the buyer demographic on this.
I was more referring to the "doors off, top off" features just like a Bronco, looks like a Bronco, Ford doesn't have an electric Bronco (in the US) aspect of it. But also I like to tell co-workers, etc who drive electrics thanks for saving all the fuel for me I'm gonna need it lol. "Gasoline forever" - David Freiburger
 

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Until you line it up next to a mustang and gap him (even if it's to the next light on the street). 4.3s 0-60 for the mustang...and 3.3s for the poorly named CUV.
There is a reason why Mach-e or Tesla don't have nurburgring times. They can't take turns...at least not for long and understeer is a real problem, and tire wear is a real problem. Oh yeah, great in a straight line, or a single quarter mile run, but let's hot lap it and see what happens. I wonder why none are doing bracket racing? Oh what? The battery is hot and you can't make another pass? Oh so sowwy. Not gappin' no one with a hot battery.

I'm at the track twice a month, we've seen them. Oh and you're right, they can beat a stock car...at times. But they can't put their power down at launch like ice can. It's stepped in. and some simple bolt-ons to a 5.0, and not even a p100d can touch it. And the Mach-e isn't that quick. It's quick for 2005, but not today.

And what mods you gonna do? LMAO you're stuck with what you buy. No aftermarket, no bolt-ons, nada, what you bought is what you got.

They are commuter cars. That's it. They made some straight line "fast" for the hype. Apart from that single function, they suck. Let's see what that thing is like in 10, 20 years? Think anyone will be buying them like a 20 year old mustang? yeah don't think so, they are ticking timebombs for a 20k battery swap after 5 years.

Seriously, you lease an electric for a cheap, no thrills ride to work n back, anyone buying them is absolutely stupid.
 

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I think it's neat. Cool battery powered mall crawler - where you'll find most of them.

My personal interest in EV's is around Teslas and other sedans where I can really get some range if I had one - but I'm sure someone will buy this.
 

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There is a reason why Mach-e or Tesla don't have nurburgring times. They can't take turns...at least not for long and understeer is a real problem, and tire wear is a real problem. Oh yeah, great in a straight line, or a single quarter mile run, but let's hot lap it and see what happens. I wonder why none are doing bracket racing? Oh what? The battery is hot and you can't make another pass? Oh so sowwy. Not gappin' no one with a hot battery.

I'm at the track twice a month, we've seen them. Oh and you're right, they can beat a stock car...at times. But they can't put their power down at launch like ice can. It's stepped in. and some simple bolt-ons to a 5.0, and not even a p100d can touch it. And the Mach-e isn't that quick. It's quick for 2005, but not today.

And what mods you gonna do? LMAO you're stuck with what you buy. No aftermarket, no bolt-ons, nada, what you bought is what you got.

They are commuter cars. That's it. They made some straight line "fast" for the hype. Apart from that single function, they suck. Let's see what that thing is like in 10, 20 years? Think anyone will be buying them like a 20 year old mustang? yeah don't think so, they are ticking timebombs for a 20k battery swap after 5 years.

Seriously, you lease an electric for a cheap, no thrills ride to work n back, anyone buying them is absolutely stupid.
I quick Google search will set you straight

 

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Let's say you spend two days of off-roading at Moab. Going up hills and driving over rough terrain.
Seems to me that would deplete the battery much faster than driving on a paved road.
After 2 days I'm not sure how much battery charge would be left. For me this is where range
anxiety rears its ugly head.

Other than that I think the Recon is a pretty cool vehicle.
 

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There is a reason why Mach-e or Tesla don't have nurburgring times. They can't take turns...at least not for long and understeer is a real problem, and tire wear is a real problem. Oh yeah, great in a straight line, or a single quarter mile run, but let's hot lap it and see what happens. I wonder why none are doing bracket racing? Oh what? The battery is hot and you can't make another pass? Oh so sowwy. Not gappin' no one with a hot battery.

I'm at the track twice a month, we've seen them. Oh and you're right, they can beat a stock car...at times. But they can't put their power down at launch like ice can. It's stepped in. and some simple bolt-ons to a 5.0, and not even a p100d can touch it. And the Mach-e isn't that quick. It's quick for 2005, but not today.

And what mods you gonna do? LMAO you're stuck with what you buy. No aftermarket, no bolt-ons, nada, what you bought is what you got.

They are commuter cars. That's it. They made some straight line "fast" for the hype. Apart from that single function, they suck. Let's see what that thing is like in 10, 20 years? Think anyone will be buying them like a 20 year old mustang? yeah don't think so, they are ticking timebombs for a 20k battery swap after 5 years.

Seriously, you lease an electric for a cheap, no thrills ride to work n back, anyone buying them is absolutely stupid.
There's very few gas cars out there running 8s in the quarter mile that can be hot lapped, and none are on street tires or anywhere remotely being bone stock. And yet the model s plaid does it straight off the showroom floor. Show me the 5.0 mustang running 8s with volt ons, unless you're the guy arguing a supercharger is just a bolt on and even there is a stretch to get into the 8s. Everyone parrots this 5 year battery swap... and yet they all have 8 year warranties? There are numerous examples of Teslas over 300k miles on the stock battery and they still have 85%+ of the original capacity. Most gas engines don't last that long and almost nobody who buys new cars keeps them that long anyway. I agree the mach-e isn't quick for an EV, but it destroys every ICE vehicle in its price range. Sure there are several Lamborghinis, Porsche, and Ferraris that beat it, but they are all in the$188k+ range. It's quicker than a hellcat redeye for Christ's sake... in a soccer mom cuv that is $55k. Half the price of any ICE vehicle that can 0-60 in the 3s range and 1/4 the price of anything that beats it. It's ok to hate EVs, but at least get the facts straight.
 
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There is a reason why Mach-e or Tesla don't have nurburgring times. They can't take turns...at least not for long and understeer is a real problem, and tire wear is a real problem. Oh yeah, great in a straight line, or a single quarter mile run, but let's hot lap it and see what happens. I wonder why none are doing bracket racing? Oh what? The battery is hot and you can't make another pass? Oh so sowwy. Not gappin' no one with a hot battery.

I'm at the track twice a month, we've seen them. Oh and you're right, they can beat a stock car...at times. But they can't put their power down at launch like ice can. It's stepped in. and some simple bolt-ons to a 5.0, and not even a p100d can touch it. And the Mach-e isn't that quick. It's quick for 2005, but not today.

And what mods you gonna do? LMAO you're stuck with what you buy. No aftermarket, no bolt-ons, nada, what you bought is what you got.

They are commuter cars. That's it. They made some straight line "fast" for the hype. Apart from that single function, they suck. Let's see what that thing is like in 10, 20 years? Think anyone will be buying them like a 20 year old mustang? yeah don't think so, they are ticking timebombs for a 20k battery swap after 5 years.

Seriously, you lease an electric for a cheap, no thrills ride to work n back, anyone buying them is absolutely stupid.
There's very few gas cars out there running 8s in the quarter mile that can be hot lapped, and none are on street tires or anywhere remotely being bone stock. Everyone parrots this 5 year battery swap... and yet they all have 8 year warranties? There are numerous examples of Teslas over 300k miles on the stock battery and they still have 85%+ of the original capacity. Most gas engines don't last that long and almost nobody who buys new cars keeps them that long anyway. I agree the mach-e isn't quick for an EV, but it destroys every ICE vehicle in its price range. Sure there are several Lamborghinis, Porsche, and Ferraris that beat it, but they are all in the$188k+ range. It's quicker than a hellcat redeye for Christ's sake... in a soccer mom cuv that is $55k. Half the price of any ICE vehicle that can 0-60 in the 3s range and 1/4 the price of anything that beats it. It's ok to hate EVs, but at least get the facts straight.
 

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Let's say you spend two days of off-roading at Moab. Going up hills and driving over rough terrain.
Seems to me that would deplete the battery much faster than driving on a paved road.
After 2 days I'm not sure how much battery charge would be left. For me this is where range
anxiety rears its ugly head.

Other than that I think the Recon is a pretty cool vehicle.
If only there were chargers in town...
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Show me the 100 mile trail in moab. Why would you need to wheel for 2 days instead of charging it in between trails? Those pesky facts again.
 

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If only there were chargers in town...
Screenshot_20251119_135403_Maps.webp

Show me the 100 mile trail in moab. Why would you need to wheel for 2 days instead of charging it in between trails? Those pesky facts again.
That and range would be at its highest going 5mph on trails. Road speeds eat range.
 

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Are you doing 7 course meals on the trail? Do you honestly believe you'll burn 150 miles of range from the AC on a trail at an average of 8k feet elevation? I
It was 105F at my daughter's soccer practice this past summer. 2hr practice. I sat in our Blazer EV with the AC cranked and stereo on. Range went from 300 to 298 miles in 2 hours. People don't realize how little A/C uses. It's only the heater that can use a bit - but still minimal.
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