BEWARE - JEEP ISNT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS [LOCKED: USER BANNED]

[Stan H]

OP your like the guy from yesterday or so.
Just go sell it and get a Subaru Forrester , there slogan is ..Safe and Enjoyable Subaru. Problem solved.

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[McRuss]

Huh? I bought my 2020 Overland with 114,000 miles, now has 120,600. NO problems, no death wobble, no electronic issues, nothing! I think he bought a LEMON! I hope to grow much older owning this sweetheart of a Jeep!

 

[Flyin6]

Jeep does not make the highest-quality product, but it is not bad either. I mean, what is good these days? With all this luxury electronic crap, how could anyone expect any vehicle to last or be reliable? Heck, I flew Jets that had all sorts of electronic issues, but we still fly them. One time out over the Atlantic, every single screen in the cockpit went blank! But we still flew the thing, for years...

I still feel a Jeep is worth owning. It has two live axles! That's a biggie. Having done a solid axle swap (SAS) on a Tundra, I can say it's a lot of work and expensive!

Buying the Ineos Grenadier product means you're at the cost of two jeeps, and have a 500-mile trip to the dealership to get it looked at. AND THE THING HAS CRAPPY STEERING! (Also next to no aftermarket, a questionable future, and...).

Jeep is American, born from war and the military. Jeep is historic. Jeep is the original off-road personal freedom vehicle.
Complain as one might, every other manufacturer suffers from something. High cost, foreign-made, questionable engine/trans. poor build quality, can't be had in the configuration you want, and so forth.

I drove Land Rovers in the desert of Saudi Arabia and the mountains of Afghanistan. They are cool too, but not American, not Jeep, Not for me.

Me: I'll stay with Jeep, hope for better factory support and quality, but in the end, fix it myself and continue to feel like I am a part of a community, which we Jeep people certainly are.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Jeep does not make the highest quality product, but it is also not bad.

I still feel a Jeep is worth owning. It has two live axles! That's a biggie. Having done a solid axle swap (SAS) on a Tundra, I can say it's a lot of work and expensive!

Buying the Ineos Grenadier product means you're at the cost of two jeeps, and have a 500-mile trip to the dealership to get it looked at. AND THE THING HAS CRAPPY STEERING! (Also next to no aftermarket, a questionable future, and...).

Jeep is American, born from war and the military. Jeep is historic. Jeep is the original off-road personal freedom vehicle.
Complain as one might, every other manufacturer suffers from something. High cost, foreign-made, questionable engine/trans. poor build quality, can't be had in the configuration you want, and so forth.

I drove Land Rovers in the desert of Saudi Arabia and the mountains of Afghanistan. They are cool too, but not American, not Jeep, Not for me.

Me: I'll stay with Jeep, hope for better factory support and quality, but in the end, fix it myself and continue to feel like I am a part of a community, which we Jeep people certainly are.

Agree 100% with all of this. We are a Jeep family. We've owned something like 12 of them over the years. We wheeled every single one of them. Every one of them passed 200k miles without major issues aside from the couple we just didn't keep that long. The idea that death wobble is a deal breaker, or Jeeps fault for that matter is wild to me. It's ALWAYS caused by worn or loose components. At 48k miles, odds are the thing needs ball joints. Could be the drag link, track bar, or even imbalanced tires, but something is worn or loose...at 48k miles. That's not build quality or manufacturer issues, it's maintenence. The tranny failed, but at least it's under warranty. Still can't get an answer from the OP on the shocking gearing though? As far as reliability in the Starbucks drive through, I'd suggest a Toyota or a Honda. As far as reliability after dozens of 6+ rated trails, there is no other option period. As big of a Jeep fan as I am, I still wonder why anyone who doesn't wheel would buy a JT or a JL. I'd still be in a Ram if I didn't need the off road ability. If I wanted a street only SUV the Grand Cherokee is much nicer than the JL in that regard. And that's staying in the brand with forest road capability with ease.

 

[IamPro2A]

The idea that death wobble is a deal breaker, or Jeeps fault for that matter is wild to me. It's ALWAYS caused by worn or loose components. At 48k miles, odds are the thing needs ball joints. Could be the drag link, track bar, or even imbalanced tires, but something is worn or loose...at 48k miles. That's not build quality or manufacturer issues, it's maintenence.

A 2020 model may have fallen in the range of those covered by a TSB for improperly torqued ball joints, although on my 2021 JT that issue started announcing itself in the first 10k miles, if I remember right. If it was ignored it could certainly lead to deathwobble, as could any number of other issues after 6yrs of driving, especially if it's had any mods. Aside from retorquing the ball joints, the only other things I ever had to do on my '21 JT in almost 100k miles was a set of tires and nothing more than the factory recommended maintenance.

 

[althouse08]

I’m not following you. Are you saying I destroyed a transmission and “modded” this to cover damage? Or are you accusing jeeps/the dealership?
I didn’t mod anything. Also doubt someone can ruin a “bulletproof” transmission in 10k miles….also, it’s very common. If you come out of your mom’s basement and look through your stupid ducks, you can read all the other comments and get some perspective.

I have no idea how you managed to destroy that transmission, the ZF8 is used all over in higher stress and much higher power engines. Something isn't adding up about your vehicle's history, it's starting to sound like the title got washed and those mods were done to cover damage.

So, have the issues taken care of. Did you have the vehicle inspected?

I wonder what had happened to it before you got it. Could it have been a rebuilt wreck maybe just a lemon from the start but if that was the case it may have a history. i wonder what the service record has listed if it was taken to the dealer at all. A friend had a Cherokee years ago with all kind of problems it was made on super bowl Sunday he got rid of it and got a salvage wrangler that was a theft recovery, suspension, tires and wheels, suspension seats, bumpers etc and never had an issue but it could have gone the other way just as easy. The shop was shocked at the gear ratio, which lead to metal in the transmission fluid leaving the entire system compromised. I wonder what was meant by the gear ratio leading to metal in the transmission compromising the system.

Bought my 2020 gladiator a year ago with 40k miles. I heard the horror stories about jeep issues so thankfully I got an extended warranty because in 8000 miles this thing has

1. Almost flipped on the highway at 70mph from the “death wobble”, a known defect and factory recall that @JeepCares and the dealership for some reason doesn’t just fix before putting drivers in harms way.

2. Glass defrost went out. Electrical noises and burnt wire smell. That was fun.

3. Radio went out, killing multiple electronic components that needed replaced (even though I bought the sport with almost no electronics)

4. Last but not least, and probably not last as long as I own this trash vehicle, the transmission. 50,000 miles and the transmission WENT OUT. The shop was shocked at the gear ratio, which lead to metal in the transmission fluid leaving the entire system compromised.

in a year of owning this, it’s been in the shop for 3 months. This transmission is on week 5 and still no parts to be seen.

@JeepCares I thought owning a jeep was the worst thing ever, but trying to get help is WAY worse. What a joke.

Death wobble feels scary, but you can 100% still drive through it. Steers, brakes, hell you can even accelerate through it in certain situations. Easy enough to diagnose and fix yourself in the driveway with basic hand tools.

He bought a USED jeep truck, a 2020 (known for steering issues unless addressed), with 40k+ miles, knew it was modded (said it had gears), drove it like a CAR, got scared, blamed "jeep death wobble" for not inspecting/maintaining their ride, proceeds to poke it with a stick stating "jeep sucks, do something..."

And he blew up a ZF 8 speed (known to be durable for drag racing, as good or better than a build 41LE).


Something doesn't sit right here.

"Dilly Willy" you sure are making a lot of assumptions! I came here and tagged jeep cares from dozens of other's recommendations who have had the same problem (there is a class action lawsuit). The stick poking worked, they reached out, offered extended warranty on new transmission and/or vehicle buy back for another truck.

So, to address your peabrain...yes I bought used. Didn't know that used jeeps were a bad thing. Never had issues with my USED Fords. Yes, it has both been driven as a CAR to work, and a TRUCK for home projects. I have not tried drag racing it yet, didn't know that was a thing with jeeps, only ever seen drag CARs.

"scared"? Um, ok.

Modded gears? where'd you get that? This vehicle was on lease until 40k miles. 2k miles were from the only actual owner. 10 by me. The 3-4 gear slipped when I got it, which is clearly "a jeep thing" (search it, assuming you degenerates in Australia have the capability). It led to a check engine light with an error code "gear ratio off" or something like that. Took it to dealership and they confirmed that as well as metal shavings in the system. Apparently according to you, driving a jeep causes that. How do you maintain a sealed, "bulletproof", "drag racer" transmission?! Shame on me I am a first time jeep owner, right! PA is a mandatory inspection state. It's been inspected, per state law, twice now. It's been in the shop 3x, as stated. So uh, again, why didn't jeep's technicians inspect it? How do state inspectors inspect a sealed transmission?

"Blew up"...definitely didn't blow up. Simply had the issues stated leading to Jeep replacing the transmission for factory defect. Here is one of many posts of THE EXACT SAME THING

We done here? We know you lost the crocodile man, but geez get over it and go be happy with your jeep drag racer.

 

[Mr Miami]

Jeep does not make the highest-quality product, but it is not bad either. I mean, what is good these days? With all this luxury electronic crap, how could anyone expect any vehicle to last or be reliable? Heck, I flew Jets that had all sorts of electronic issues, but we still fly them. One time out over the Atlantic, every single screen in the cockpit went blank! But we still flew the thing, for years...

I still feel a Jeep is worth owning. It has two live axles! That's a biggie. Having done a solid axle swap (SAS) on a Tundra, I can say it's a lot of work and expensive!

Me: I'll stay with Jeep, hope for better factory support and quality, but in the end, fix it myself and continue to feel like I am a part of a community, which we Jeep people certainly are.

I agree to a point. When you mention "but in the end, fix it myself" sounds good but unfortunately vehicles today, at least for driveway mechanics, are barely fixable. I guess Jeep has to follow suit with other manufacturers but with all of the electronics and limited access to many areas, actually fixing things oneself is less and less of an option.

I think of my '99 TJ in the yard. It has the 4.0 engine and I can actually change the spark plugs!. It came with a soft top and factory half doors. About 7-8 years after I bought it, I was opening the door, heard a snap in the door, and nothing happened. Door didn't open so I had to unzip the window and press the door handle to get out. Anyway, I took the five screws that held the inside of the door out, pulled the inside cover off, and saw that the metal wire that connected the door handle switch to the locking part had broken. I didn't have any thick wire handy so I went in the house and got a pair of pliers and a metal coat hanger. I cut the coat hanger to the approximate size, twisted the ends on where it connects and screwed the door cover back on. Maybe 15 minutes or less. I thought to myself that I would get a better pieces of wire later and fix it "properly" when I had more time. But the door worked like new, so I just left it alone.

It still works fine, about 20 years later.

Try that on any new vehicle today.

 

[althouse08]

Thank you for the replies. 90% of you are normal, helpful, and I appreciate the feedback. The people who are accusing me of like modding to cover up damage or whatever weird ass shit you have from having your head up your ass, gfys

 

[althouse08]

Funny thing is, the thread title is actually on point, just not how they meant it. When I was shopping EVERYONE was telling me not to get a Jeep because it's garbage, especially the diesel. After I bought one EVERYONE was telling me it was a mistake and it's going to leave me stranded. 60k miles on the truck and the only issue I have is an intermittent service 4x4 light when its wet out.

Very awesome to hear! Yea I got made fun of for buying this because of Jeep's reputation. I love it minus all these issues. Maybe I shouldn't give up just yet

 

[althouse08]

Others have had problems with this Jeep 850RE transmission. It's not caused by the user, it's defective parts.

Haha well apparently it's because I didn't drag race it enough

 

[Zachanadandy]

I’m not following you. Are you saying I destroyed a transmission and “modded” this to cover damage? Or are you accusing jeeps/the dealership?
I didn’t mod anything. Also doubt someone can ruin a “bulletproof” transmission in 10k miles….also, it’s very common. If you come out of your mom’s basement and look through your stupid ducks, you can read all the other comments and get some perspective.









"Dilly Willy" you sure are making a lot of assumptions! I came here and tagged jeep cares from dozens of other's recommendations who have had the same problem (there is a class action lawsuit). The stick poking worked, they reached out, offered extended warranty on new transmission and/or vehicle buy back for another truck.

So, to address your peabrain...yes I bought used. Didn't know that used jeeps were a bad thing. Never had issues with my USED Fords. Yes, it has both been driven as a CAR to work, and a TRUCK for home projects. I have not tried drag racing it yet, didn't know that was a thing with jeeps, only ever seen drag CARs.

"scared"? Um, ok.

Modded gears? where'd you get that? This vehicle was on lease until 40k miles. 2k miles were from the only actual owner. 10 by me. The 3-4 gear slipped when I got it, which is clearly "a jeep thing" (search it, assuming you degenerates in Australia have the capability). It led to a check engine light with an error code "gear ratio off" or something like that. Took it to dealership and they confirmed that as well as metal shavings in the system. Apparently according to you, driving a jeep causes that. How do you maintain a sealed, "bulletproof", "drag racer" transmission?! Shame on me I am a first time jeep owner, right! PA is a mandatory inspection state. It's been inspected, per state law, twice now. It's been in the shop 3x, as stated. So uh, again, why didn't jeep's technicians inspect it? How do state inspectors inspect a sealed transmission?

"Blew up"...definitely didn't blow up. Simply had the issues stated leading to Jeep replacing the transmission for factory defect. Here is one of many posts of THE EXACT SAME THING

We done here? We know you lost the crocodile man, but geez get over it and go be happy with your jeep drag racer.

Your replying skills could use some work, but since you tagged me I assume it was the scary comment I made? Nobody has ever flipped or almost flipped because of death wobble, so your own description of the event shows fear even if you now don't want to admit it. Its a harmonic oscillation of the front suspension. You can still turn, brake, accelerate, and corner even while it's shaking like a paint mixer. Your transmission issue literally said that the shop was "shocked at the gear ratio" which lead to metal in the fluid? That implies something shocking with YOUR gearing not a simple transmission failure. Your own wording is the issue that lead to the questions.

 

[althouse08]

I have no idea how you managed to destroy that transmission, the ZF8 is used all over in higher stress and much higher power engines. Something isn't adding up about your vehicle's history, it's starting to sound like the title got washed and those mods were done to cover damage.

Well, then that sounds even worse if Jeep sold me a "title washed" vehicle! THis was leased to 40k, 2k on the first owner, 10k on me. Carfax was clean when I bought from the dealer.

Is it common for Jeep dealers to do this?

Also, this is actually a very very very common problem.

 

[althouse08]

Many people say it's a great transmission, but Jeep has a TSB for how to rebuild it.

Mine was replaced at 21k miles.

Damn! That makes me feel a lot better (kind of) haha. Like they say, things can always be much worse!!

 

[Zachanadandy]

Well, then that sounds even worse if Jeep sold me a "title washed" vehicle! THis was leased to 40k, 2k on the first owner, 10k on me. Carfax was clean when I bought from the dealer.

Is it common for Jeep dealers to do this?

Also, this is actually a very very very common problem.

I wouldn't call it a very common problem being that there's over a million Stellantis vehicles on the road running the same transmission. Sure there have been several failures, but I'm guessing my odds of being struck by lightning are higher.

 

[althouse08]

Well don’t leave us hanging what was the shocking gear ratio? What size tires came on it when you bought it?

Still waiting for the parts. I actually got an engine light and the code said gear ratio was off between 3-4. Its always been off since I bought it, but started to actually not shift to 4, or to R. The dealer shop called me back within 2 hours to say the gear ratio was off and metal shaving in the system. That's all I have so far! Supposed to get it back next week

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