Since no news on 4xe Gladiator this week, when is next likely update?

[dcmdon]

Hi all,

I was hoping to hear about the 4xe Gladiator at the Stelantis EV day this week. But nothing was mentioned.

I'm close to pulling the trigger on the Gladiator but just have a hard time with the fact that its slower than I would like.

PLEASE - spare me the "Jeeps aren't supposed to be fast". or "try the diesel" or "the pentastar if plenty fast for me" comments. Its a bit slow for my wants. (not needs)

I'm not interested in the 4xe for envionmental reasons. Rather, to me, its a nearly free (with subsidies) HUGE upgrade in power and torque. So I'm eagerly awaiting any info on whether it will be offered in the Gladiator in 2022.

What would the next natural point in time be to find out if this is coming?

Thanks,

Don

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[Jeeperjamie]

What gets me is the Wrangler 4xe has all that extra power and torque but can't even tow half of what my Max Tow Gladiator Gasser can tow. Rated at 3500lbs, Max Tow Gladiator's are rated for 7600lbs. Electric Hybrids are a nice idea but that's pretty lacking.

 

[Kevin_D]

The Wrangler towing limitation isn’t because of the motor.

Kevin

 

[spectre6000]

The New York Auto Show is August 20th, or thereabouts. It'll either be then, or some trickle hints like the social media photo from a few weeks to a month back.

 

[bleda2002]

I'm wondering if they are going to do a gladiator this year since they announced the gc but not the gladiator. Maybe they are saving the lithium for the higher volume instead of the niche gladiator.

 

[dcmdon]

What gets me is the Wrangler 4xe has all that extra power and torque but can't even tow half of what my Max Tow Gladiator Gasser can tow. Rated at 3500lbs, Max Tow Gladiator's are rated for 7600lbs. Electric Hybrids are a nice idea but that's pretty lacking.

Uh. . . you do realize that 3500 lb is the highest towing capacity of ANY Wrangler. Its not a standout. Most max out at 3500 lbs.

Read some of the recent threads about towing with a Diesel. Its got nothing to do with power or structural strength. In the diesel's case its about limitations on cooling.
In this case that means that in cooler weather or on flat roads, you can actually safely tow more than rated.

 

[dcmdon]

The New York Auto Show is August 20th, or thereabouts. It'll either be then, or some trickle hints like the social media photo from a few weeks to a month back.

Thank you.

 

[texanjeeper]

2023?

 

[dcmdon]

2023?

I'm hoping for 2022. Jeep hasn't released any changes for 2022 for the gladiator, so fingers crossed.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Uh. . . you do realize that 3500 lb is the highest towing capacity of ANY Wrangler. Its not a standout. Most max out at 3500 lbs.

Read some of the recent threads about towing with a Diesel. Its got nothing to do with power or structural strength. In the diesel's case its about limitations on cooling.
In this case that means that in cooler weather or on flat roads, you can actually safely tow more than rated.

Either way, if you get caught towing with more than the truck or vehicle is rated for your going get a ticket and if you tear something up doing while it's under warranty then forget about it being covered. If can tow more then why not rate it for more. My 2004 Liberty I use to have was rated for 3500lbs.

 

[sunrise089]

If can tow more then why not rate it for more. My 2004 Liberty I use to have was rated for 3500lbs.

Safety, reliability, and margin for error for both of those, right? The rating is based around all types of loads in all types of conditions, and violating it increases the wear and tear on the vehicle past what the manufacturer views as reasonable and may, in the wrong circumstances, meaningfully raise the risk of a crash. That said...

Either way, if you get caught towing with more than the truck or vehicle is rated for your going get a ticket and if you tear something up doing while it's under warranty then forget about it being covered.

Can you cite any examples of this actually happening for loads modestly past the limit? In my humble opinion there isn't really a mechanism in place in most locales for law enforcement to check loads of light duty trucks, and DOT enforcement on interstates isn't exactly focusing on Wranglers. Likewise I don't know how a dealer would have any idea of one's past tow weights unless the vehicle in question is brought to the dealer with the load attached

I still appreciate the rating and aim to follow it, but if I needed to tow some modest amount over the limit (which remember usually doesn't even appear anywhere on the vehicle itself) I'd feel almost 100% confident that I'd have no legal or warranty issues doing so.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Safety, reliability, and margin for error for both of those, right? The rating is based around all types of loads in all types of conditions, and violating it increases the wear and tear on the vehicle past what the manufacturer views as reasonable and may, in the wrong circumstances, meaningfully raise the risk of a crash. That said...



Can you cite any examples of this actually happening for loads modestly past the limit? In my humble opinion there isn't really a mechanism in place in most locales for law enforcement to check loads of light duty trucks, and DOT enforcement on interstates isn't exactly focusing on Wranglers. Likewise I don't know how a dealer would have any idea of one's past tow weights unless the vehicle in question is brought to the dealer with the load attached

I still appreciate the rating and aim to follow it, but if I needed to tow some modest amount over the limit (which remember usually doesn't even appear anywhere on the vehicle itself) I'd feel almost 100% confident that I'd have no legal or warranty issues doing so.

Sure you could probably get away with it modestly towing and not have a issue and yes I have seen where towing to much with a vehicle has caused a traffic violation. A guy or guys where towing way over weight with a half ton truck a few years back in my area and couldn't brake in time to avoid plowing into the rear of a vehicle killing two people inside the vehicle they hit. In the investigation it was determined the cause was because they were towing about 2000lbs more than they were rated for. The result was manslaughter charges. I'm just saying you can take a risk by doing it but it's your risk and is it worth something like that. Bad thing about it was the car pulled out in front of them but got turned out in time for them to plow into the rear. 2000lbs of less weight and who knows maybe they get stopped on time. My wife was claims adjuster for allstate for 5yrs and she could sure tell more stories than this.

Just because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done, there is a reason they put tow ratings on vehicles and in a instance where it comes down to someone losing their life they are going to investigate every avenue to determine who's at fault and if your over your tow rating it absolutely can affect weather your insurance is paying or your losing half or all of what you got.

 

[Oilburner]

JT will get updates as soon as Ford announces the Bronco Pickup, same reason the Wrangler gets all the love now

 

[dcmdon]

So back to JeeperJamie's original point. Towing.

It will be interesting to see what the 4xe Gladiator's towing capacity is.

It will not be in the 3500# range since all Wranglers have that rating. Which suggests its a chassis limitation.

No re the intelligence and/or advisability of towing over your rating.

Lets use one example that's been discussed a lot lately. The diesel.
A normal rubicon is rated at 7000 lb (Ish)
A diesel is rated at 6000 lbs.

Its pretty well established that the limitation is based on that model's ability to shed heat.

However, if I'm just running across town at 30 mph, or maybe towing on the highway on a winter day, when shedding heat won't be a problem, then there is absolutely no harm.

To that end, it would be interesting to have copies of the actual SAE report of the tow test that was done on each model. Then we would know what limitation prevented the rating from being higher.

For example, if the limitation was chassis based and involved stability or braking, then you would not want to exceed the rating under almost any circumstances.

However if it was limited by acceleration or heat, then it would be fine to exceed the rating around town.

 

[dcmdon]

So back to the original topic. News on '22s.

Fingers crossed something comes out of the NY Auto Show. Well . . on the date of the Auto Show. Since they cancelled it. Ridiculous. But oh well.

If a 4xe is offered. I"m pulling the trigger. I'm getting tired of my car. Ha.

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