The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

[ShadowsPapa]

LOL - I was thinking the same thing about #2. If this is the best, the other must be really nasty. My 2011 Chevy pickup had a superior sound system, crazy nice sound, perfect mix as it was right out of the factory as far as frequencies. Good bass, not muddy, enough highs........ my JT can't seen to get the mud out of the bass (it sucks) and the highs just aren't there. Granted I have hearing loss but I didn't lose it between the Chevy and the JT - the JT's premium sound is pretty sad.
My Comanche had a superior sound system back in 1988 - Apline head unit, 2 amps, 2 large subs, 4 tweeters and 4 midrange. Granted, I installed it, but for $3500 bucks in 1988 I had sound that blows this Gladiator's Alpine clean off the planet.
It left me asking- Alpine used to be just about the best decades ago, have they really sunk this badly since then?

HVAC on mine is great except at certain temperatures (since the flash to fix it hahaha) it blows cold air on you. 35 degrees outside, set the inside temp to 68 and when it gets there 58 degree air comes out of the dash vents (yes, I have a thermometer stuck in the dash vents and have tracked the temperature.
Before the "fix" via TSB it wasn't all that bad - since, what's up with the 58 degree air blowing on you when it's 35-45 outside and you have it set to 68 inside.

Days like recently where it's 20 degrees to 0 outside ( or below), the auto setting of the HVAC is flawless.

But in the grand scheme of things - it's a great truck and you can't hear the radio or music at all for that matter in a Jeep anyway (unless it's a Grand Cherokee).

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[Gvsukids]

There's pressure switches that tell the airbag system if a passenger's seated, but that can't be used so that the passenger can make inputs on the nav system.

Tazer can turn that off and allow input while underway.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Tazer can turn that off and allow input while underway.

I believe I saw that as a setting in jscan too so it must be a setting that it allows to be changed.
I told my wife after seeing it while digging into other stuff I was going to make that change because she wants to input addresses while I am driving.
If it gets just a bit warmer this week I planned on looking at that setting and a couple of others with the software I have.

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

Tazer can turn that off and allow input while underway.

My Tazer mini should be here Monday- Tuesday. I can't wait.

 

[kad's_Glad]

Bad:
1. Climate controls.
Fan has 7 settings so we put in on a knob that doesn't even have positive detents, but the temp control which has 25 settings goes on a toggle switch.
Temp Sync is only on touchscreen display. Not convenient.

2. Alpine radio upgrade. The standard radio must be really bad if this is an upgrade.

The Ugly:
The Uconnect and its virus companion Android Auto.
90% redundant or worthless dooky.
I can add and delete XM stations going 85 down the turnpike but can't input... Not even through voice command... The directions to my next stop.
There's pressure switches that tell the airbag system if a passenger's seated, but that can't be used so that the passenger can make inputs on the nav system.

The Ugly - AGRRED! Apparently only the nav software dept has been sued and not the SiriusXM software dept (…yet)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

LOL - LOVE IT! People are blaming uconnect, Jeep, etc. as if this is a "Jeep problem" and yet.........
Ford,
Infiniti,
Audi,
MB,
Acura,
Hyundai
and others all disable using nav while vehicle is in motion.

Seems like any time a person discovers something they dislike about their Jeep, it's a JEEP THING! FIx it Jeep! Fix it! or - uconnect sucks, it won't let me..............

And yet it's not a Jeep thing, it's not even a uconnect thing, it's an automotive industry thing, world-wide.

But no - because it happened in a Jeep it's got to be a Jeep thing.

Here's a bit from a magazine article I found -
Cars can detect when there is a passenger in the front row, but unlocking screen input for them while moving also unlocks it for the driver and that gets into a temptation scenario carmakers don't want to support.
A few years ago it looked like we might solve the lockout issue with dual angle dashboard screens that show the driver one interface while showing the passenger another, based on their angle of view being about 90 degrees apart. Mercedes made the biggest splash with its SplitView brand of this Sharp tech, but it never really caught on beyond a few high-dollar cars.
Bottom line: I can't envision any carmaker wanting to be the first to say, "We've unlocked the screen so you can concentrate on using it while driving," so root for any movement that places the mobile voice platforms deep into the dash instead.

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

LOL - LOVE IT! People are blaming uconnect, Jeep, etc. as if this is a "Jeep problem" and yet.........
Ford,
Infiniti,
Audi,
MB,
Acura,
Hyundai
and others all disable using nav while vehicle is in motion.

Seems like any time a person discovers something they dislike about their Jeep, it's a JEEP THING! FIx it Jeep! Fix it! or - uconnect sucks, it won't let me..............

And yet it's not a Jeep thing, it's not even a uconnect thing, it's an automotive industry thing, world-wide.

But no - because it happened in a Jeep it's got to be a Jeep thing.

Here's a bit from a magazine article I found -
Cars can detect when there is a passenger in the front row, but unlocking screen input for them while moving also unlocks it for the driver and that gets into a temptation scenario carmakers don't want to support.
A few years ago it looked like we might solve the lockout issue with dual angle dashboard screens that show the driver one interface while showing the passenger another, based on their angle of view being about 90 degrees apart. Mercedes made the biggest splash with its SplitView brand of this Sharp tech, but it never really caught on beyond a few high-dollar cars.
Bottom line: I can't envision any carmaker wanting to be the first to say, "We've unlocked the screen so you can concentrate on using it while driving," so root for any movement that places the mobile voice platforms deep into the dash instead.

No one is solely blaming Jeep, but they are to blame for going along with it.
It is asinine in the least considering all the other available touch screen functions that require the same amount of concentration and dexterity and in some cases more.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

No one is solely blaming Jeep, but they are to blame for going along with it.
It is asinine in the least considering all the other available touch screen functions that require the same amount of concentration and dexterity and in some cases more.

Actually a few have - perhaps it's their first "newer" car, perhaps they were lucky, perhaps they never noticed it before.... but there's been a couple who have screamed that it was all Jeep or uconnect.
The problem is - the feds asked the auto makers to follow certain, well, suggestions........... there's not a hard/fast/solid law, but a "suggestion" with a list of things "asked".
And who will be the first to back out?

I don't disagree that there are other things in the cabin that divert attention - but gotta admit, choosing state, city, street, address and then trying to touch the right spots on that screen can be a challenge. The least that could be done, and it's coming more widely for sure, is voice commands.
When I told it to go to an address, I said it exactly as if I was addressing an envelope - I said something like 1234 Sesame street chicago illinois and it took me directly to big bird's nest - well, you get the idea. It was the easiest I have ever gotten nav to take input. It's silly to have to go step by step and choosing numbers from that screen and look to make sure you are touching the right spot (unless you are extremely talented and can do it with eyes on the road)
Seriously, how many can choose the state, then spell the city and choose the correct one from the popup, then change from number to letter or from letter to number and put the street name in, then choose from that matrix of numbers. Try it, without looking.

At least with the radio it's all on the steering wheel and it even shows you the current playing station right in front of your eyes in the cluster display! You don't even have to mess around trying to see the radio. Voice commands even work.
Once all automakers have gone to an OS like Android or whatever, there won't be such issues. But when moving it's not simple to spell long city or street names..........
At least if there's someone in the passenger seat, they could do it - or ensure you stay on the road if you did it! Buddy system works no matter who actually does it - there would be eyes on the road.

I get that Jeep doesn't want to be the first to back out of said agreement, get sued - and then have the feds say "we told you so - 1 billion demerits".. There's seldom times when you can't pull over or input at the next stop.

 

[UnforseenWeather]

Good: fun, love driving this thing. Always wanted a Wrangler, but needed a truck again, and this is the perfect melding of the two. Love the waves. Love the overall experience.

Bad: Even though the windshield is Gorilla Glass it’s cracked. Currently being held together from the inside by Gorilla tape (heh) until I can get it replaced. Hopefully under warranty. Also with this truck costing what it does, there is no way it should have come with halogen headlights. Past that the only regrets are not having a couple options that would have made some other upgrades easier, like the steel front bumper so I could get a winch.

Ugly: Not a lot. I have a buzz that started up recently that I am hunting down. So far I think it’s a slightly loose heat shield somewhere that starts at about 2500 RPMs and gets louder as I accelerate. Lower RPMs it’s quiet. I’ll have to live with it and a few other upgrades (can’t wait to get the Invictus headliners installed) til the Spring.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Good: fun, love driving this thing. Always wanted a Wrangler, but needed a truck again, and this is the perfect melding of the two. Love the waves. Love the overall experience.

Bad: Even though the windshield is Gorilla Glass it’s cracked. Currently being held together from the inside by Gorilla tape (heh) until I can get it replaced. Hopefully under warranty. Also with this truck costing what it does, there is no way it should have come with halogen headlights. Past that the only regrets are not having a couple options that would have made some other upgrades easier, like the steel front bumper so I could get a winch.

Ugly: Not a lot. I have a buzz that started up recently that I am hunting down. So far I think it’s a slightly loose heat shield somewhere that starts at about 2500 RPMs and gets louder as I accelerate. Lower RPMs it’s quiet. I’ll have to live with it and a few other upgrades (can’t wait to get the Invictus headliners installed) til the Spring.

Yeah, that's one of the biggest reasons I went this way. it's a truck so satisfies my needs - and my "wants".

I'm still thinking on the Gorilla Glass bit - my windshield has a lot of tiny chips and nicks in it and I know it will crack again someday - replace it with GG or not? So many people here have seen the Gorilla Glass crack or chip, not really any different from the stock glass - and why not? The outer layer is exactly the same glass on both standard and GG windshields, so why in the world would the GG windshield outer layer resist chips or pitting? There's NO reason! None. If a rock impacts that outer layer how or why would the layer next to your face protect the outer layer from getting a chip or cracking? How on earth could it? Even the marketing bits for GG is "lighter weight" and resists major impacts better, protecting occupants. Hmmm, why are they concentrating on those traits? Because the outer layer is the same. Only MAJOR impacts would be any different. Pebble tossed up will have the same effect because the inner layer has nothing to do with it.

IF I go GG, it will be because of reduced weight - and to protect me and my wife against big stuff.

 

[AstroZombie]

My second car, taken 1977. Manual steering, manual drum brakes, manual transmission, manual windows, manual locks, manual seats - vents were opened and closed by your feet using slides on the kick panels.

I learned to drive on an amc matador wagon. Manual steering, manual brakes but a power rear tailgate window hahahahaha

 

[AstroZombie]

Got this the other day!! Found it in marketplace. $10

 

[Gvsukids]

Also with this truck costing what it does, there is no way it should have come with halogen headlights. Past that the only regrets are not having a couple options that would have made some other upgrades easier, like the steel front bumper so I could get a winch.

Upgrades are easy to come by for the Jeep. For many people who take their Jeep to the mall, the halogen lights are all they need. But like many other inadequacies on the Jeep, people will remove and replace them with better components.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Upgrades are easy to come by for ag. For many people who take their Jeep to the mall, the halogen lights are all they need. But like many other inadequacies on the Jeep, people will remove and replace them with better components.

The halogens of my Chevy were actually very good - i'd have never considered replacing them. Same for the headlights on our earlier Grand Cherokees - they were very good. Not as white but they were bright and covered the road shoulder-to-shoulder without issue. I'd have never considered changing those, either.
The headlights on on the Gladiator and Wrangler are limited by the shape of the light and the depth in the front of the vehicle, IMO

 

[Lives The Dream]

Reverse. Manual tranny here and the reverse is way too tall. I'm adventurous, but going that fast in reverse or looking retarded as I stall is not fun. Getting used to it though. Reverse that is, not looking retarded. ? Additionally, I'd trade that second overdrive of sixth for a granny instead. Even with the 3.73, this thing would crawl anywhere and redline at 3 MPH

Isn't first considered in granny gear territory at 5.13, it's the deepest jeep has offered since T-98/T-18 optional 4 speeds (6.32, teamed up to the 72 horse power Fhead 134) and reverse gear (4.49) is only beat by this transmission as well. The 6 speed in the JK/TJ was first gear 4.46 and reverse 4.06. I think you feel the torque/HP curves, the 3.6L isn't peaking torque until 4400 rpm, HP at 6400 rpm, in comparison Jeep liked to state the 4.0L made 90% of its torque by like 2000 rpm (peaked 3200), HP peaked by 4600 rpm. I personally like 2 overdrives, always find myself looking for 7th in the NSG370 6th's a little short at .84, .78 in the NVG 3550 always felt better with that engine. Anyways this means revving it to use 1st/R to get any use out of them but precludes crawling slow easily/stalling issues, you can start in 6th on flat with the 4.0L, try that with the 3.6L.

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