2022 AEV Gladiator Rubicon build

[ShadowsPapa]

Don't know when that change occurred. I'd be more interested to know which seals the Dorman unit uses, whether they've updated their design.

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It's the old figure 8 style

I suspect that's why people say go to the newer MOPAR updated type from MOPAR

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[Flyin6]

Turning into a discussion forum...Oh, well...

Sensitive to the increased cooling demands I am going to switch to a 3-core radiator. I haven't checked, but doesn't the Gladdy come stock with a single core? Anyway this one holds something like 30% more fluid and offers north of 40% increased cooling capacity.

Just checking all the blocks...

 

[smlobx]

A couple of days ago I watched a video from our Northern friends at Epic Outfitters where they installed a Ripp supercharger. At the time they also replaced the spark plugs and upgraded the coil packs.

Are you going to do those switch outs as well?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Turning into a discussion forum...Oh, well...

Sensitive to the increased cooling demands I am going to switch to a 3-core radiator. I haven't checked, but doesn't the Gladdy come stock with a single core? Anyway this one holds something like 30% more fluid and offers north of 40% increased cooling capacity.

Just checking all the blocks...

A couple of days ago I watched a video from our Northern friends at Epic Outfitters where they installed a Ripp supercharger. At the time they also replaced the spark plugs and upgraded the coil packs.

Are you going to do those switch outs as well?

Upgrade coil packs? Don't know of anything that's truly an upgrade.

 

[RubiNewbCB]

https://rippmods.com/products/2018-wrangler-jl-gladiator-3-6-high-performance-coil-packs

 

[ShadowsPapa]

https://rippmods.com/products/2018-wrangler-jl-gladiator-3-6-high-performance-coil-packs

LOL - and how many here have installed them, only to take them back out.
I knew about those and was poking fun at the thought.

I'd love to see exactly how they are high performance, and actual scope patterns for the stock MOPAR coils along side the Ripp coils.

If you need a different coil pack, I'd bet you have other problems. It's always been the case - performance coils over the decades hide other issues.

Yes, compression pressures will be higher with a SC - but enough to cause the MOPAR stock coil to fail? If it doesn't fail and fires fine, there's no gain.
There is no reason at all to put them in a stock 3.6 and I question the need in a SC 3.6 unless going really high numbers - then - I really bet the stock coils would work.

 

[Flyin6]

Bill raises some good points.

Reference the coil packs and spark plugs.

I went with the Ripp recipe exclusively. I did purchase the RIPP coils and the NGK Iridium spark plugs which are gapped tighter at .025"

I actually installed Ripp coils long ago when I first purchased the truck. One failed and I yanked them back out. The current coils were redesigned to fix some issue with the earlier generation of coils. We'll see, but supposedly, they have been redesigned and fixed.

A couple of days ago I watched a video from our Northern friends at Epic Outfitters where they installed a Ripp supercharger. At the time they also replaced the spark plugs and upgraded the coil packs.

Are you going to do those switch outs as well?

Yes

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Bill raises some good points.

Reference the coil packs and spark plugs.

I went with the Ripp recipe exclusively. I did purchase the RIPP coils and the NGK Iridium spark plugs which are gapped tighter at .025"

I actually installed Ripp coils long ago when I first purchased the truck. One failed and I yanked them back out. The current coils were redesigned to fix some issue with the earlier generation of coils. We'll see, but supposedly, they have been redesigned and fixed.

Yes

The smaller gap is because it make it easier for the spark to jump the gap in denser air/fuel mixture. Not that it's richer, but denser, so they typically run a smaller gap in turbo and supercharging situations because of the denser charge.
But it's a weaker spark as far as igniting the charge.

It takes less VOLTAGE to fire the plug then - so I still bet stock coils would be fine. However, it's their package - they have to make it work and stand behind it.

I'd still absolutely LOVE to see scope patterns - both of before and after and RIPP coils vs. MOPAR coils under identical conditions in a stock engine................

 

[JTdiRtyD]

Turning into a discussion forum...Oh, well...

Sensitive to the increased cooling demands I am going to switch to a 3-core radiator. I haven't checked, but doesn't the Gladdy come stock with a single core? Anyway this one holds something like 30% more fluid and offers north of 40% increased cooling capacity.

Just checking all the blocks...

Be sure to update on how fitment goes with this. It's been something I've been thinking about for the ecoD, but it's already packed in there so concerned about fitment.

 

[Flyin6]

Stuff is starting to arrive (and pile up)
There are a lot of Bits (as my British friends like to say).
I have begun with step one, which is to clean up the entire work area and organize the parts on the tables. Oh, and getting the lighting right. Who agrees with me that poor lighting is often the most significant detriment to getting things done?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Be sure to update on how fitment goes with this. It's been something I've been thinking about for the ecoD, but it's already packed in there so concerned about fitment.

Something to consider - diminishing returns, and - restriction of air flow through the other cooling modules.
Add layers of rows doesn't always improve performance, in some cases, you may end up impeding air flow through other coolers, the condenser coil and so on. That same air has to remain cool enough in the entire journey, grill to fan, to cool things. Once it's saturated, it doesn't add to the cooling. It might impede air flow in the end.

So, this is something to watch really closely - does the AC, transmission, whatever, still get required air flow. Does the extra row in the core help, or do nothing?
Jeep didn't add another row to the core due to those "diminishing returns" - it didn't help, in other words

 

[Flyin6]

More good points, Bill

I have already taken some steps to mitigate the heat-soaking issue. You may recall I removed the hood insulator pad and opened the factory hood vents. Somewhere down the line, I will add in some inner fender liners that afford a bit more airflow.

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/2022-aev-gladiator-rubicon-build.67479/page-30

 

[Flyin6]

Let me do some wondering out loud...

Would the newer grill promote more air flow???

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Let me do some wondering out loud...

Would the newer grill promote more air flow???

I see no other reason for it................ likely to better support the heat of the 4xe and 2.0 turbo, but that's a guess, too.
It does open up a lot of space ahead of the heat exchange area.
Of course, air out needs to equal air in and you've already taken steps on that.
My guess is you'll succeed brilliantly.

 

[Flyin6]

I was looking at this fan controller. It showed good results in a JL, but I do not know if that was with the 850 watt fan or something else.

http://www.rpmextreme.com/Product/311/Jeep-JL-JT-PWM-FAN-CONTROLLER-⭐.aspx

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